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Àktrcfylh ×triby, lbhtrnjh gj vfhrtnbyue b Èynthytn-ghjtrnfv ÇÀÎ ÈÄ "Êjvcjvjkmcrfz ghfdlf", kfehtfn yfwbjyfkmyjq ghtvbb "Ìtlbf-Ìtytl;th Ðjccbb-2007". È gk.c rj dctve jxtym j,fzntkmysq b jgnbvbcnbxysq xtkjdtr. Â bynthdm. vs gjcnfhfkbcm hfccghjcbnm yfituj ym.cvtqrthf j wbahjdjq ;bpyb lde[ ghjtrnjd — ÊÏ b t;tytltkmybr ÊÏ.

- Àktrcfylh, cjukfcyj lfyysv bccktljdfntkmcrjq rjvgfybb Gemius pf ltrf,hm 2007 ujlf cfqn KP.RU pfyzk 15-e vtcnj d htqnbyut cfvs[ gjgekzhys[ cfqnjd heytnf, b djitk d Òjg-20 cfvs[ gjgekzhys[ cfqnjd. Êfrbt afrnjhs d gthde. jxthtlm gjdkbzkb yf ecgt[?
- Ñyfxfkf j cnfnbcnbrt. Ñtujlyz vs zdkztvcz kblthfvb chtlb yjdjcnys[ ÑÌÈ Ðeytnf gj cxtnxbrfv Liveinternet, Mail.ru, d Ðfv,ktht ÒÎÐ-100 ecnegftv njkmrj yjdjcnzv yf ÐÁÊ, cjgthybxftv c Ëtynjq. Ëtnjv ghjikjuj ujlf vs pfgecnbkb cfqn KP.RU c yjdsvb aeyrwbjyfkmysvb djpvj;yjcnzvb b lbpfqyjv, cfqn ltvjycnhbhetn ytghthsdysq hjcn gjctnbntktq jn vtczwf r vtczwe.
- Òfrjq hjcn gjgekzhyjcnb KP.RU j,]zcyztncz yt njkmrj ekexitybzvb ".pf,bkbnb" b ljgjkybntkmysvb djpvj;yjcnzvb. Îcyjdf gjctoftvjcnb k.,juj cfqnf — rjyntyn. Â 'njv cvsckt Èynthytn-vtlbf vfkj xtv jnkbxftncz jn nhflbwbjyys[ ÑÌÈ. Ïj'njve pflfxf yfitq web-htlfrwbb cjcnjzkf d njv, xnj,s ds,hfnm ghfdbkmye. rjywtgwb., hf,jnfnm ckf;tyyj b ghtlkj;bnm gjkmpjdfntkzv:
-'rcrk.pbdysq, bynthtcysq rjyntyn 24 xfcf d cenrb 7 lytq d ytltk.;
-ghtlkj;bnm 'njn rjyntyn ,scnhtt rjyrehtynjd;
-egfrjdfnm rjyntyn d elj,yjv lkz gjkmpjdfntktq ajhvfnt: elj,ysq gjbcr, yfkbxbt gjlrfcnjd b RSS, cghfdjxyst cthdbcs b n.l.;
-ljgjkybnm rjyntyn vekmnbvtlbqysvb chtlcndfvb Èynthytnf (felbj, dbltj, ajnjufkthtzvb b ckfql-ije);
-ljytcnb yfi ghjlern lj gjkmpjdfntktq, rjnjhst ybrjulf ght;lt yt ,skb yf KP.RU. Ýnj b j,vtyyst ctnb, b bcgjkmpjdfybt djpvj;yjcntq ufptns c tt vbkkbjyysvb nbhf;fvb, b gfhnythcrbt ghjuhfvvs, frwbb c lheubvb buhjrfvb hsyrf, ghjxbt vfhrtnbyujdst [jls.
Ânjhjq rk.xtdjq afrnjh gjckt 'rcrk.pbdyjuj rjyntynf — ,tpeckjdyj, yfkbxbt ghjatccbjyfkmyjq rjvfyls.

- Êfr ds gjl,bhfkb rflhs d ghjtrn?
- Ôjhvbhjdfnm Èynthytn-htlfrwb. vs yfxfkb d rjywt 2006 ujlf b, yflj crfpfnm, njkmrj xthtp gjkujlf e yfc gjlj,hfkfcm rjvfylf, d rjnjhjq rf;lsq pyftn cdjt ltkj yf dscjrjv ehjdyt b ujnjd gjvjufnm lheu lheue. KP.RU — 'nj web-htlfrwbz d Ìjcrdt d cjcnfdt yjdjcnyjq cke;,s, ,bkml-htlfrnjhjd, dbltj-by;tythjd, rjyntyn-vtytl;thjd b lheub[ cgtwbfkbcnjd. Ífkf;ty gjcnjzyysq rjynfrn c ",evf;yjq" htlfrwbtq rfr gjcnfdobrjv 'rcrk.pbdyjuj rjyntynf. Åot 'nj 40 htubjyfkmys[ web-htlfrwbq, xnj gjpdjkztn yfv hf,jnfnm, gj cenb, d ht;bvt dcthjccbqcrjuj byajhvfwbjyyjuj futyncndf. È rjytxyj, cbcntvf htubjyfkbpfwbb, j,]tlbyz.ofz dct htubjyfkmyst web-htlfrwbb d jlby yjdjcnyjq gjhnfk. Òfrbv j,hfpjv, ctujlyz KP.RU — rhegyfz vtlbqyfz Èynthytn-gkjoflrf — ghjtrn, ult cjtlbyz.ncz vtytl;vtyn, nt[yjkjubb b ndjhxtcrfz cjcnfdkz.obt.

- Ñfqn ÊÏ cjplfy rfr bynthfrnbdysq gjhnfk c j,hfnyjq cdzpm. c xbnfntkzvb. Êfr htfubhe.n bplfybz yf nt cjj,otybz, rjnjhst gjcnegf.n jn xbnfntktq? Êfrbt ntvs cfvst pkj,jlytdyst lkz gjctnbntktq cnhfybxrb bkb 'nj ";fkj,yfz" rybuf ,tp jndtnjd?
- Å;tlytdyj gjctnbntkb KP.RU jcnfdkz.n jn 5 lj 7 nsczx jnrkbrjd, rf;lsq ltym d ufptnt ge,kbretncz vytybt gjctnbntkz cfqnf d he,hbrt "Âjghjc lyz", hfp d ytltk. ds[jlbn gjkjcf, gjcdzotyyfz jnrkbrfv yf cfqnt, jnrkbrb xfcnj gjldthcnsdf.ncz r lbcreccbjyysv vfnthbfkfv. Înrkbrb b rjvvtynfhbb gjctnbntktq — 'nj j,hfnyfz cdzpm, rjnjhfz c jlyjq cnjhjys gjpdjkztn yfv gjybvfnm j,ott jnyjitybt yfib[ xbnfntktq r gjlyznsv ghj,ktvfv, c lheujq — lftn ;ehyfkbcnfv ntvs lkz lfkmytqib[ ge,kbrfwbq b d ufptnt, b yf cfqnt.
Íj tcnm b lheujuj hjlf cjj,otybz, 'nj yjdjcnb jn xbnfntktq, pf rjnjhst vs gkfnbv bv ujyjhfh. Òfr yfpsdftvsq User Generated Content dct ,jkmit lftn yfv gjdjljd lkz jgnbvbpvf — ythtlrb ckexfb, rjulf ghbckfyyst xbnfntkzvb c.;tns, cyznst j,sxysv vj,bkmysv ntktajyjv, cnfyjdzncz gjgekzhyjq yjdjcnm. d Ñtnb, jyb hfcghjcnhfyz.ncz gj cjj,otcndfv, yjdjcnysv fuhtufnjhfv, dbltj[jcnbyufv b tot ljkuj gjnjv ghbdjlzn r yfv gjctnbntktq.

- ß cksifkf, xnj d dfib[ gkfyf[ — cltkfnm ljcnegyjq c gjvjom. Gemius byajhvfwb. j gjctoftvjcnb gjhnfkf b felbnjhbb. Âblbvj, jn nfrjq ghjphfxyjcnb dsbuhf.n d gthde. jxthtlm, htrkfvjlfntkb — jyb gjqven, rnj b[ gjnht,bntkm?
- Ñthmtpyst htrkfvjlfntkb e;t yfxbyf.n cvjnhtnm ghbhjle nhfabrf, nj tcnm rfxtcndj felbnjhbb, b gj yfibv htcehcfv 'nj cltkfnm jxtym ghjcnj, dcz cnfnbcnbrf ljcnegyf. Ó KP.RU ,jkmijt zlhj gjcnjzyys[ gjctnbntktq. Ìs drk.xbkbcm d gfytkm Gullap WebIndex b bvttv cfve. ,jkmie. felbnjhb. gj Ìjcrdt chtlb yjdjcnys[ htcehcjd, ghbxtv rfxtcndtyye. felbnjhb.. Îyf vjkj;t felbnjhbb cfvjq ufptns, yj nfv dct nt ;t herjdjlbntkb, cgtwbfkbcns, k.lb, dkbz.obt yf ghbyznbt htitybq. Ó yfc ytn ckexfqyjq felbnjhbb, ghbdktrftvjq c cfqnjd c cjvybntkmyjq htgenfwbtq. Ñfqn KP.RU b lfktt ,eltn bcgjdtljdfnm byajhvfwbjyye. ljcnegyjcnm, edthtys, xnj hfpdbnbt hsyrf pfcnfdbn lheubt htcehcs nfr;t jnrhsnm ghbhjle cdjtuj nhfabrf. Âhtvz vf[byfwbq b j,vfyf htrkfvjlfntktq e;t d ghjikjv.

- Êfr ajhvbhetncz ukfdyfz cnhfybwf cfqnf — 'nj kexitt bp gtxfnyjq dthcbb bkb lj,fdkz.ncz vfnthbfks gjkmpjdfntktq b 'rcrk.pbd? Ênj endth;lftn dthcnre ukfdyjq cnhfybws cfqnf?
- Êjytxyj, vs cnfhftvcz yf ukfdyjq cnhfybwt fyjycbhjdfnm dct jcyjdyst vfnthbfks gtxfnyjq "Êjvcjvjkrb", vs "ghjlftv" gjnht,bntkzv yfi 'rcrk.pbd. Ânjhjq "zrjhm" cfqnf — yjdjcnb on-line. Ñbkmyfz vjcrjdcrfz htlfrwbz utythbn ,jkmijq gjnjr ujhjlcrb[ yjdjcntq, rf;lsq htubjy nfr;t t;tlytdyj lftn cdjb vtcnyst yjdjcnb. Ó yfc vyjuj gthdjrkfccyjuj felbj- b dbltj- rjyntynf, ajnjufkthtq. Â ktdjq rjkjyrt yf[jlzncz fyjycs ghtcc-wtynhf, ghzvs[ kbybq, d ghfdjq — cthdbcyst gjujlf, fabif, gjktpyst cghfdjxybrb b n.l. Ïjkexftncz cvtcm bp vfnthbfkjd gtxfnyjuj yjvthf c vekmnbvtlbqysvb ljgjkytybzvb b vfnthbfkfvb, rjnjhst hfpvtof.ncz njkmrj yf cfqnt. Ðekbn dctv web-htlfrnjh Îktcz Íjcjdf. Íj ghjwtcc web-htlfrnbhjdfybz — 'nj lbcreccbb c rjkktufvb yf gkfythrf[, htlrjkktubz[, d rjhbljhf[ 6-uj 'nf;f. Òfr xnj web-htlfrwbz b htlfrwbz ,evf;yjq dthcbb yfcnjkmrj ntcyj dpfbvjltqcnde.n, xnj ghtlcnfdkz.n cj,jq tlbysq ndjhxtcrbq rjkktrnbd.

- Ïj rfrjve ghbywbge jhufybpjdfyf htrkfvf yf cfqnt ÊÏ? È xnj ghbyjcbn ,jkmit ghb,skm — ,fyythyfz htrkfvf, rjyntrcnyfz bkb byst dbls (cgjycjhcndj, pfcnfdrb b n.g.)? ×nj gkfybhetnt hfpdbdfnm ,jktt frnbdyj?
- Ìs ghtlkfuftv htrkfvjlfntkzv ibhjrbq cgtrnh htrkfvys[ eckeu: dct ceotcnde.obt dbls ,fyythyjq htrkfvs, htrkfvyst cnfnmb, jykfqy-rjyathtywbb, hfpkbxyst dfhbfyns ytcnfylfhnyjq htrkfvs (bynthfrnbdyst jghjcs, hfccskrb, ,htylbhjdfybt). Ífib rkbtyns ds,bhf.n dbl htrkfvyjuj j,hfotybz d pfdbcbvjcnb jn njuj, rfrbt wtkb ghtcktletn htrkfvyfz rfvgfybz. Áfyythyfz htrkfvf cjcnfdkztn jrjkj 70% d j,otv j,]tvt ghjlf;. Ðfpdbdfnm ,eltv dct dbls, yj gjzdzncz b yjdbyrb — htrkfvf d yfitv flash-ÒÂ b rfhnjuhfabxtcrb[ cghfdjxybrf[.

- Ïj lfyysv TNSGallupAdFact, d zydfht 2008 u. ghbhjcn gj htrkfvysv lj[jlfv d ufptnt "Êjvcjvjkmcrfz ghfdlf" — t;tytltkmybr gj jnyjityb. r zydfh. ghjikjuj ujlf cjcnfdbk 100%. Âfit vytybt — htrkfvjlfntkzv dsujlyj ds,bhfnm wbahjde. dthcb. bkb dct tot gtxfnye.?
- Ìs ghtlkfuftv gfrtnyst ghjlf;b, rjnjhst dsujlys htrkfvjlfntk., dtlm felbnjhbz b e ufptns, b e cfqnf jxtym [jhjifz. Ðtrkfvjlfntkb cxbnf.n, xnj ctrhtn 'aatrnbdyjcnb htrkfvys[ j,hfotybq yf KP.RU dj vyjujv jghtltkztncz j,ibhyjq (,jktt 5 vky. gjctnbntktq d vtczw) xbnfntkmcrjq felbnjhbtq, rjnjhfz jnkbxftncz rfxtcndtyysvb cjwbfkmyj-ltvjuhfabxtcrbvb gjrfpfntkzvb.
- Äfyyst bpvthtybq Web Index rjvgfybb TNS Gallup Media gj Ìjcrdt gjrfpsdf.n, xnj d jcyjdyjv xbnfntkb cfqnf KP.RU — ve;xbys (53%) d 'rjyjvbxtcrb frnbdyjv djphfcnt (74%), bvt.obt gjcnjzyye. hf,jne (73%), dscitt j,hfpjdfybt (57%) b ehjdtym lj[jljd chtlybq b dsit chtlytuj (85,2%), yfb,jkmifz xfcnm felbnjhbb gkfnt;tcgjcj,yf — gjxnb gjkjdbyf xbnfntktq (47%) vj;tn gjpdjkbnm ct,t gjregfnm ljhjubt dtob.
- Ñhtlybq CTR gj cfqne ljcnfnjxyj dscjrbq b cjcnfdkztn 0,5.Åot jlby gk.c d gjkmpe ds,jhf gjhnfkf rfr htrkfvyjq gkjoflrb — dscjrfz xfcnjnf gjrfpjd: 4 gjrfpf htrkfvyjuj ,fyythf eybrfkmyjve gjkmpjdfntk. yf ukfdyjq cnhfybwt, 5 gjrfpjd — yf dyenhtyyb[ cnhfybwf[ kp.ru. Ïj'njve lbyfvbrf ghjlf;b htrkfvs yf cfqnt (gj 2007 ujle + 220%) pyfxbntkmyj jgtht;ftn lbyfvbre ghbhjcnf ghjlf; d ufptne, yj ljkz tq d j,otv j,]tvt ghjlf; gjrf vtytt 5%.

- Ðfccrf;bnt, tcnm kb bynthtc r cghfdjxyj-buhjdjve ghbkj;tyb. "Ìj,bkmyfz ÊÏ" b ghbyjcbn kb d ghbywbgt ghjlf;f rjyntynf vj,bkmyjve jgthfnjhe rfrbt-nj lbdbltyns?
- Ýnj yfi byyjdfwbjyysq ghjlern, rjnjhsq ljk;ty ght;lt dctuj gjvjxm yfv dsqnb yf ne felbnjhb., rjnjhfz yt xbnftn nhflbwbjyyst ufptns, yj frnbdyj gjkmpetncz vj,bkmysvb gjkmpjdfntkmcrbvb ghbkj;tybzvb, vs hfccxbnsdfkb yf edtkbxtybt kjzkmyjcnb ceotcnde.otq felbnjhbb gjchtlcndjv cjdhtvtyyjuj vjlyjuj bynthfrnbdyjuj rfyfkf. Èuhjdjt Java-ghbkj;tybt "Ìj,bkmyfz ÊÏ" ,tcgkfnyj lkz gjkmpjdfntkz, pf ldf ujlf ,jktt 200 nsczx xtkjdtr tuj ecnfyjdbkb d ntktajys, ghbxtv gjkjdbyf bp yb[ — 'nj zlhj, rjnjhjt j,yjdkztn ghbkj;tybt [jnz ,s hfp d vtczw. Îyj gjktpyjt b bynthfrnbdyjt: cghfdjxybrb, ujhjcrjgs, buhs c xbnfntkzvb, cdt;bq yjvth ufptns, rhjccdjhl. Åckb ujdjhbnm j lj[jlf[, nj vs yfxbyftv ghjlfdfnm htrkfve yf cdjb[ wap-htcehcf[ b ghjlftv Java-ghbkj;tybz "Êhtvktdcrfz lbtnf" b "Ìj,bkmyst Ïhfdbkf ljhj;yjuj ldb;tybz". Çfnhfns yf hfphf,jnre nfrb[ ghjlernjd ytcjgjcnfdbvs c dshexrjq — yfv 'nj dsujlyj.

- Ïj jwtyrfv 'rcgthnjd, bp ukfdys[ ghbjhbntnjd bplfntktq yf 2008 ujl ,eltn hfcibhtybt jykfqyjdjuj ghbcencndbz b "vjytnbpfwbz" bynthytnf. Êfr ,eltn hfpdbdfnmcz dfi ÈÄ d gkfyt pfhf,fnsdfybz ltytu d bynthytnt?
- Â ,kb;fqitt dhtvz e yfc gjzdbncz yjdfz dthcbz dbltj- b felbj-gktqthf c cfvsvb cjdhtvtyysvb b ytcrjkmrbvb jhbubyfkmysvb aeyrwbzvb. Ñjjndtncndtyyj, ,eltv ghjlfdfnm flash-hjkbrb. Ìs jnrhskb cfqn-cfntkkbn kp-avto, yf cnfgtkz[ cnjbn tot ldf ntvfnbxtcrb[ cfnntkbnf. Âtcyjq cnfhne.n yjdst gj lbpfqye b aeyrwbjyfkmysv djpvj;yjcnzv cfqns sovsport.ru b eg.ru, 'nj jxtym ecgtiyst ghjtrns c njxrb phtybz vjytnbpfwbb gjctnbntktq b gthcgtrnbd hfpdbnbz.

- Ít vjue yt cghjcbnm j, bplfntkmcrjv ,bpytct. Ädf vbyedib[ ujlf ,skb ,jufns yf vtlbqyst ckbzybz b gjukjotybz yf hjccbqcrjv hsyrt. Ìj;yj kb crfpfnm, xnj dct ecgjrjbkjcm gthtl ds,jhfvb b jcnfdibtcz frnbds ghjcnj yt bynthtcys lkz bydtcnjhjd? ×nj yfpsdftncz, gj jlyjve vtlbf d jlyb herb.
- Ñltkrb M&A yf hfpdbdf.ob[cz hsyrf[ dctulf ghbcencnde.n d ,jkmijv rjkbxtcndt, vs kbim ghjikb jxthtlyjq 'nfg gththfcghtltktybz atlthfkmys[ vtlbqys[ frnbdjd, yj tcnm jxtym bynthtcyst ctntdst ghjtrns d htubjyf[. Ðfpdbdftncz Èynthytn, ukzytw gjrfpsdftn [jhjibq hjcn, ybitdst ghjtrns lf.n ,jkmijt gjkz lkz vfytdhf — nfr xnj hfyj ujdjhbnm j cnf,bkbpfwbb, yfi hsyjr jxtym frnbdysq, ltymub e bydtcnjhjd tcnm, vtlbqyfz jnhfckm ltvjycnhbhetn [jhjibt ntvgs hfpdbnbz.

- Âjghjc j, jhufybpfwbb b eghfdktybb dfibv wbahjdsv [jpzqcndjv. Ítlfdyj byajhvfwbjyysq gjhnfk kp.ru d ntcnjdjv ht;bvt pfgecnbk cbcntve htubjyfkbpfwbb. Âct htcehcs htubjyfkmys[ htlfrwbq 'ktrnhjyys[ dthcbq ufptn "ÊÏ" b yjdjcnys[ ktyn vtcnys[ cfqnjd cj,hfys yf tlbyjq nt[yjkjubxtcrjq gkfnajhvt. Êfr elfkjcm htfkbpjdfnm nfrjq vfcinf,ysq ghjtrn? È rfr e,t;lfkb vtcnyst rflhs, rjnjhst, rfr bpdtcnyj, dj vyjujv nz;tks yf gjl]tv b bpvtytybz?
- Ìs ghbyzkb htitybt j cjplfybb htubjyfkbpbhetvjuj gjhnfkf b j,yjdktybb cfqnf d atdhfkt ghjikjuj ujlf, nt[ybxtcrb yjdsq cfqn lkz Ìjcrds pfhf,jnfk d b.yt, htubjys yfxfkb gjlrk.xfnm c jctyb b d 2008 ujl vs djikb c tlbyjq njxrjq d[jlf. Ó yfc d rf;ljv ,jkmijv ujhjlt tcnm ldt ckf;tyyj hf,jnf.obt htlfrwbb — ufptnyfz b web-htlfrwbz d cjcnfdt htlfrnjhf, yjdjcnybrjd, ,bkmlf. Îyb rheukjcenjxyj ajhvbhe.n ktyns yjdjcntq, ujnjdzn vekmnbvtlbqysq rjyntyn, bvtyyj d htubjyf[ e yfc ,jkmijq htpthd hjcnf. Êflhs e,t;lfkb b j,exfkb rfr d Ìjcrdt, nfr b d htubjyf[, djn ctqxfc d vfhnt jxthtlyjq cjdvtcnysq ctvbyfh htlfrnjhjd d Òehwbb — ,eltv exbnm hf,jnfnm c dbltj b felbj, vjynbhjdfnm, jgnbvbpbhjdfnm, ghjldbufnm b ghjlfdfnm yfib htcehcs. Â xfcnb hfpdbnbz htubjyfkmys[ htlfrwbq vs yf gfhe ktn jgtht;ftv lheubt atlthfkmyst ÑÌÈ b ljuyfnm yfc ghb nfrb[ ntvgf[ ghfrnbxtcrb ytdjpvj;yj.

- Ñtujlyz vyjubt bplfntkmcndf pfgecrf.n Èynthytn-ntktdbltybt b jykfqy-hflbj. Ïjltkbntcm ctrhtnfvb — e dfc nfrjt ,eltn? Âfv njxyj tcnm xnj gjrfpfnm b hfccrfpfnm felbnjhbb).
- Áeltn, rjytxyj. Ñj,cndtyyj nf rjywtgwbz rjydthubhjdfyyjuj ym.phevf, j rjnjhjq vs cnjkmrj cksibv yf rjyathtywbz[ pfhe,t;ys[ bplfntktq, e yfc htfkbpetncz gjkysv [jljv. Ìs bpexbkb jgsn kblthjd — Daily Telegraph, Nordiske, lheub[ bplfntktq. Ïj'njve ctujlyz ;ehyfkbcn yfxbyftn ujnjdbnm rjyntyn lkz hfpys[ yjcbntktq — yf cfqn, lkz vj,bkmyjuj ntktajyf, lkz hflbj-'abhf, flash-ÒÂ. Â gkfyf[ yf 2008 — cj,cndtyyfz ÒÂ-cnelbz. Ìs cnfyjdbvcz vyjujgkfnajhvysvb, ujnjdbv vyjuj yjds[ htubjyfkbpbhetvs[ b rfcnjvbpbhetvs[ cthdbcjd, xnj, ,tpeckjdyj, crf;tncz yf gjctoftvjcnb dct[ yfib[ htcehcjd.

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