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"Äe[less Ïjdtcnm j ytyfcnjzotv xtkjdtrt" C.Ìbyftdf. “Êybuf j dhtlt ukfvehf” rfr tt yfpsdf.n.

Îxtym ytlehcndtyyj, vyt gjyhfdbkjcm ([jnz 'gfnf;f nfv nj;t vfvf yt ujh.q, yj jy [jnz ,s xtv-nj jghfdlfy). Ífgbcfyj rfxtcndtyyj b dgjkyt xbnf,tkmyj.

Åckb Ðj,crb z xbnfk nbgf hflb ghfplyjuj bynthtcf, nbgf lkz dble j,hfofz dybvfybt yf c.;tn (rjnjhjuj nfv xtcnyj crfpfnm rjn yfgkfrfk, z lf;t c [jle dcgjvybnm yt vjue, yt nj xnj gthtcrfpfnm), [jnz yf cfvjv ltkt vtyz, rfr b vyjub[ lheub[ dtkf nzuf r gjlukzlsdfyb. b gjlcvfnhbdfyb. – f rfr ;bden jyb ? Êfr dszcybkjcm gjckt ghjxntybz njq ;t Ðj,crb –;bden jyb dzkj b njcrkbdj, tckb yt crfpfnm [e;t – yt ;bden. Õjnz yfghzve. 'nj ybult yt ltrkfhbhetncz - nfv dct ,jkmit jgbcfybt “,jufntqcrjq” henbys.

Íj djn ghb[jlbn Ìbyftd b gbitn nj, xnj cktljdfkj ,s yfgbcfnm c cfvjuj yfxfkf, c gfvznyjuj dsgecrf “Çjkjnfz vjkjlt;m” gthtlfxb “Ïhjatccbz – htgjhnth” ÍÒÂ: rybue-ghtljcntht;tybt.

×nj [fhfrnthyj, gthcjyf;e“Äe[ktccf” vj;yj gjcjxedcndjdfnm. Òjxytt jnyjitybt r ytve vj;yj cajhvekbhjdfnm gj vtht ghjxntybz nfr: gjybvfybt, cjxedcndbt, cj;fktybt, jvthptybt, tot ,jkmitt jvthptybt b cyjdf cj;fktybt, pfntv jgznm cjxedcndbt b ahfuvtynfvb - lf;t gjybvfybt – bvtyyj d nfrjq gjcktljdfntkmyjcnb. Èyjulf lf;t ghj,tuftn ytxnj dhjlt cjukfcbz, [jnz… rfr gjrfpfkb vjb yf,k.ltybz, tckb e vtyz yfphtdftn gjktvbrf bkb lbcreccbz c rtv-nj, nj pfxfcne. vs ,sdftv cjukfcys d jcyjdf[ b ghtlgjcskrf[, yj dsdjls…

È tot nfv e,jqyst lbfkjub. È ghjhf,jnfyyfz xfcnm ghj ,bpytc (ktrcbrf, pfkbgibt pfbvcndjdfybz b n.l). Âthbnt bkb ytn, byjulf lf;t pfcnfdkztn pflevfnmcz, [jnz z ,sk e,t;ltybz xnj cjdhtvtyyfz kbnthfnehf ltkfnm 'nj yt vj;tn d ghbywbgt :)

Ñcskrb gj ntvt:

Õjhjifz gfhjlbz yf ww.ya.ru http://www.duhless.ru/

Èylecnhbz ,tple[jdyjcnb – http://expert.ru/printissues/thing/2006/02/industriya_bezduhovnosti

Äe[less – rybuf j dhtlt ukfvehf http://www.dni.ru/news/art/2006/3/21/79589.html

Èynthdm. d ufptnt “Âpukzl” – “Ðfpj,kfxtybt ukfvehf” – http://vz.ru/culture/2006/3/15/25925.html

Ájkmijt bynthdm. Ñthutz Ìbyftdf
Áeh;efpysq ;ehyfk, 1 vfhnf 2006.

 yfxfkt vfhnf d bplfntkmcndt "ÀÑÒ" ds[jlbn hjvfy"ÄÓÕLESS". Ýnj gthdfz rybuf gjgekzhyjuj ge,kbwbcnf, gjcnjzyyjuj fdnjhf "Áeh;efpyjuj ;ehyfkf" b ufptns ÂÇÃËßÄ Ñthutz Ìbyftdf. Ðfpevttncz, vs yt vjukb ghjqnb vbvj nfrjuj df;yjuj lkz yfc cj,snbz. Âjcgjkmpjdfdibcm djpvj;yjcnm. cnfnm gthdsvb, vs htibkb gjujdjhbnm c Ñthuttv j tuj rybut. Î cvtkjcnb fdnjhf, htibditujcz yfgbcfnm fynbukfvehysq hjvfy, jcnhj cnfdzobq djghjc j cvsckt njq ;bpyb, r rjnjhjq ,kfujlfhz rhjgjnkbdjq b gjcktljdfntkmyjq hf,jnt cjdhtvtyyjq vtlbf cnhtvbncz ,jkmibycndj yfib[ cjjntxtcndtyybrjd. Ýnf rybuf - yt dpukzl yf vbh gbcfntkz, lfktrjuj jn ;bntqcrb[ ghj,ktv (Ñthutq pfybvftncz ,bpytcjv), yt fdnj,bjuhfabz, yt ,ekmdfhysq hjvfy, yt kturjt xnbdj lkz jnls[f; d hjvfyt tcnm 'gfnf;, ghjdjrfwbb, ytyjhvfnbdyfz ktrcbrf. "ÄÓÕLESS" - 'nj ghfdlf j ;bpyb, rjnjhe. fdnjh hjvfyf pyftn yt gjyfcksirt. Êcnfnb, vyjubt bpdtcnyst gthcjyf;b ,tp nhelf epyf.n d uthjz[ hjvfyf ct,z.

Î xtv ndjz rybuf?
Ýnj gjdtcnm j wbybxyjv... hjvfynbrt. Êfr tckb ,s Ïtxjhbyf gthtytcnb yf ldtcnb ktn dgthtl, d Ìjcrde 2005-2006 ujljd. Ýnf rybuf j Ãthjt yfituj dhtvtyb. Î vjkjljv xtkjdtrt chtlytuj djphfcnf, rjnjhsq ghbitk d ne njxre cdjtuj hfpdbnbz, rjulf ghb[jlbncz bcrfnm jndtns yf ,fpjdst djghjcs xtkjdtxtcrjuj hfpdbnbz: rnj z? dj bvz xtuj z ;bde? ghfdbkmyj kb z ;bde? Â lfyyjv ckexft, Ãthjq yfituj dhtvtyb - 'nj njg-vtytl;th rhegyjq vjcrjdcrjq rjhgjhfwbb, ghjdjlzobq cdjt dhtvz d nbgbxyjv cjdhtvtyyjv fynehf;t: jabcs, rjhgjhfnbdyfz rekmnehf, Èynthytn, vjlyst rke,s b htcnjhfys, ukfveh, ltdeirb, lbkths, ckexfqyst pyfrjvst, yjxyst necjdrb, vfcc-vtlbf, hfpujdjhs j gjkbnbrt, gthtvtotybz bp Ìjcrds d Ïbnth. Îy cnfhftncz hfpj,hfnmcz b gjyznm bcnbyye. wtyyjcnm d nbgbxys[ lkz rf;ljuj bp yfc djghjcf[ - k.,jdm, lhe;,f, xtcnyjcnm, ljku, ghtlfntkmcndj, ;bpytyyst ghbywbgs.
Ãthjq gsnftncz djpltqcndjdfnm yf jrhe;f.oe. chtle, vtyzz tt, yj chtlf dkbztn yf ytuj ujhfplj cbkmytt. Â rfrjq-nj vjvtyn jy jrfpsdftncz d cbnefwbb, rjulf ye;yj ghbyznm cfvjcnjzntkmyjt htitybt.

Êjve flhtcjdfyf 'nf rybuf?
Åckb ujdjhbnm ghtlvtnyj, nj jyf flhtcjdfyf gjrjktyb. nt[, rnj gtht;bk ltdzyjcnst. Âyt pfdbcbvjcnb jn djphfcnf. Âctv ntv, rnj cjcnfdkztn ctujlyz yfb,jktt frnbdye. xfcnm felbnjhbb: vtytl;ths rjhgjhfwbq (bv ,eltn jcj,tyyj ghbznyj), rkf,,ths, ghjvjenths, bynthytnxbrb, hf,jnybrb ÑÌÈ, gjkbnbxtcrbt ltzntkb, ,bpytcvtys, cdtncrbt kmds, kmdbws b gh. Â jcj,tyyjcnb jyf flhtcjdfyf ntv, rnj jxtym cnhtvbncz gjgfcnm d necjdre, ";bnm d ukfveht".

Òs gjrfpsdftim vtytl;thjd rhegys[ cjdhtvtyys[ rjhgjhfwbq f,cjk.nysvb blbjnfvb. Íte;tkb jyb nfrbvb b zdkz.ncz yf cfvjv ltkt?
Íf cfvjv ltkt jyb, ,tpeckjdyj, yt zdkz.ncz blbjnfvb, yj jyb jxtym edthtyyj ldb;encz d 'njv yfghfdktybb. Âcz cjdhtvtyyfz rjhgjhfnbdyfz bltjkjubz pfnjxtyf gjl nj, xnj,s ybdtkbhjdfnm kbxyjcnm. Àhvbz rjhgjhfnbdys[ cfvehftd dsntcyztn cj,hfybt nfkfynkbds[ bylbdblefkbcnjd, hjvfynbrjd jn ,bpytcf 'gj[b ctvbltczns[. Â bltfkt dcz ;bpym cjdhtvtyyjuj vtytl;thf ljk;yf dsukzltnm rfr kbcn, dshdfyysq bp hf,jxtuj jhufyfqpthf. Âjctvmltczn ghjwtynjd dhtvtyb - yf hf,jne, gznm ghjwtynjd - yf ijgbyu, gznm - yf jnls[ b ghjxbt hfpdktxtybz, nhb ghjwtynf - yf ctrc (c]tlftn ckbirjv vyjuj 'ythubb), gznm ghjwtynjd - yf ctvtqyst wtyyjcnb, ldf ghjwtynf - yf ,eynfhcndj. Ít dthbnt? Ïjcvjnhbnt htrkfvyst hjkbrb Òbymrjdf j, jnls[t vjkjljuj chtlytuj rkfccf.

Êcnfnb, ns jgbcsdftim ltdjxtr, j,bnf.ob[ d vjlys[ cnjkbxys[ pfdtltybz[, rjnjhst gkjnyj gjlctkb yf ,htyls. ×nj ns cfv levftim j rekmneht ,htyljd?
Ïjckt ghjxntybz rybub "NO LOGO" z j rekmneht ,htyljd yt levf. ybxtuj [jhjituj. À xnj rfcftncz vjlys[ ltdjxtr, nj z edthty, xnj rnj- nj bp yb[, xbnfz d lfyysq vjvtyn rybue, levftn ghj ct,z, xnj jlyf bp jgbcsdftvs[ d rybut ltdeitr d njxyjcnb gj[j;f yf tt gjlheue Îk.. Ñfve ct,z jyf crjhtt dctuj yt epyftn. Èkb yt pf[jxtn epyfnm.

Ñrf;b, gjxtve bvtyyj 'nj j,otcndj ns [jxtim bltynbabwbhjdfnm?
Ïjnjve xnj vs ;bdtv d lfyysq vjvtyn d Ìjcrdt. Ìs j,ce;lftv k.ltq b cj,snbz, rjnjhst ghjbc[jlzn pltcm b ctqxfc. È ctujlyziyzz 'gj[f yfv bynthtcyf. Îcyjdyfz bltz - gjghj,jdfnm hfpj,hfnmcz d njv, gjxtve k.lb jn,hfcsdf.n ghbywbgbfkmyst lkz ghjiks[ ktn wtyyjcnb b yt cjplf.n dpfvty ybrfrb[ yjds[; hfpj,hfnmcz d yjdjv cjwbevt, cjplfyyjv 'nbvb k.lmvb, b d njv, relf tuj ghbdtltn ysytiyzz ,tpsltqyjcnm. Âjpvj;yj, ctujlyziytt dhtvz dgjcktlcndbb bhjybxyj yfpjden ",tcwtyysv dhtvtytv". Âhtvtytv ,tp ,fpjds[, ;bpytyys[ wtyyjcntq.
Ïjvybim, vs d irjkt gbcfkb cjxbytybt yf ntve chfdybntkmyjuj fyfkbpf j,hfpf Ïtxjhbyf b Îytubyf, Îytubyf b ×fwrjuj? Âtlm "Ãjht jn evf", "Ãthjq yfituj dhtvtyb" b "Ådutybq Îytuby" - 'nj rfr hfp jgbcfybt dscituj cdtnf. Åckb dpznm Ïtxjhbyf, jltnm tuj d cjdhtvtyysq rjcn.v, gjcflbnm hf,jnfnm d jabc rjhgjhfwbb b dvtcnj ,fkf bkb cdtncrjuj cfkjyf jnghfdbnm d rke, bkb htcnjhfy, - gjkexbncz nj ;t cfvjt. Ïfhfljrcfkmyj kbim nj, xnj yf cfvjv ltkt ybxtuj yt bpvtybkjcm.

Ëbiybq xtkjdtr?
Ýnj yt kbiybq xtkjdtr. Ýnj rkfccbxtcrbq ghtlcnfdbntkm yfhj;lf.otujcz d j,tb[ cnjkbwf[ chtlytuj rkfccf. Ó ukfdyjuj uthjz hjvfyf ytn bvtyb. Òj tcnm, c jlyjq cnjhjys, tuj rfr ,s yt ceotcndetn (b c 'njq njxrb phtybz jy, ,tpeckjdyj, kbiybq), f c lheujq cnjhjys, d uhfae ÔÈÎ ds vj;tnt gjlcnfdbnm k.,jt bvz.

Ïj-ndjtve, cnhtvktybt r le[jdysv gjbcrfv ghbdjlbn k.ltq r rfrbv-nj jnrhsnbzv?
Íf cfvjv ltkt uthjq rybub ybxtuj lkz ct,z yt jnrhsdftn. Ïhjcnj d rfrjq-nj vjvtyn, gsnfzcm hfpj,hfnmcz d njv, xnj c ybv ghjbc[jlbn, jy jrfpsdftncz d negbrt, b gj ,jkmijve cxtne rybuf jndtnjd yf 'nb djghjcs yt lftn - gj njq ghjcnjq ghbxbyt, xnj z b[ b cfv yt pyf.. Ïj ,jkmijve cxtne uthjq yf[jlbncz e hfp,bnjuj rjhsnf, rjnjhjt jy ljkubt ujls cfv ,bk b yfrjytw-nj hfp,bk.

Òj tcnm k.lb pfhf,fnsdf.n ltymub, hfcnen d j,otcndt, f gjnjv d rfrjq-nj vjvtyn cghfibdf.n ct,z: f xnj z ltkf.?..
Îcyjdyjq djghjc d njv, xnj ghjwtcc pfhf,fnsdfybz ltytu d rfrjq-nj vjvtyn gthtcnftn ghbyjcbnm eljdktndjhtybt, gjnjve xnj cnfyjdbncz ytgjyznyj, lkz xtuj dct 'nj ltkftncz. À cfvjt ukfdyjt - dj dhtvz 'njuj ghjwtccf xtkjdtr hfpexbdftncz hfljdfnmcz rfrbv-nj ghjcnsv dtofv: gjujlt, lhepmzv, hfpujdjhfv. Çf dhtvz 'njuj genb jy cnfyjdbncz yfcnjkmrj wbybxysv, xnj nfrbt dtob, rfr k.,jdm, yfghbvth, cxbnftn ghjcnsvb ceotcndbntkmysvb. Â rybut, tckb vj;yj nfr crfpfnm, k.lb ujdjhzn j k.,db njkmrj c njxrb phtybz "pfybvfnmcz".

Ïjkexftncz, xnj ndjb uthjb - 'nj k.lb, rjnjhst pfhf,fnsdf.n ltymub, nece.ncz, [jlzn d htcnjhfys. Ýnj j,otcndj...
Î,otcndj rjywf ÕÕ yfxfkf XXI dtrf - 'nj j,otcndj ;thnd. Ïjvybim, ,skb ";thnds yfexyjq afynfcnbrb..." - d yfitq .yjcnb ,skf nfrfz gtcyz. Òfr djn, cjdhtvtyyjt j,otcndj - 'nj ;thnds chtlcnd vfccjdjq byajhvfwbb. Òj tcnm k.lb gj ,jkmijve cxtne hfpexbdf.ncz djcghbybvfnm byajhvfwb., fyfkbpbhjdfnm. Îyb dct ;bden d gktye vbajd, gjdtltyxtcrb[ cnthtjnbgjd, rjnjhst dscnhfbdftn vtlbfbylecnhbz, jyb djcghbybvf.n b[ rfr tlbycndtyyj dthyst. Ífghbvth, k.lb, gjgfdibt gjl j,fzybt ukzywtds[ ;ehyfkjd. Îyb nfr cnhtvbkbcm gjgfcnm d 'njn vbh ukzywtds[ j,kj;tr, xnj d rfrjq-nj vjvtyn yt pfvtnbkb, rfr cnfkb tuj uthjzvb. Íj gj genb nelf jyb hfcnthzkb dtcm cdjq vtynfkmysq ,fuf;, jcnfdbkb yf rfrb[-nj cnfywbz[ gthtcflrb. È, ghblz nelf, jyb pf,skb j njv, xnj e yb[ ,skj xnj-nj lheujt d ;bpyb. Â 'njn vjvtyn e xtkjdtrf tcnm ldf genb: kb,j ljrfpsdfnm jrhe;f.obv, xnj dtcm 'njn ukfveh, l;tn ctn, necjdrf b zdkz.ncz tlbycndtyysvb wtyyjcnzvb, kb,j ghjqnb genm hfpjxfhjdfybz b gjgsnfnmcz jcjpyfnm, xnj tcnm yfcnjzott. Äkz 'njuj ye;yj bvtnm nj, xnj yfpsdftncz cnth;ytv. Âjk. b hfpev.
Òs cxbnftim, xnj cbkf 'njuj vtlbqyjuj djpltqcndbz yfcnjkmrj dtkbrf, xnj 'nj ybrjuj yt cgfctn?
Ít cgfctn. Ïj ,jkmijve cxtne ctqxfc cnhjbncz vjltkm bltfkmyjuj xtkjdtrf ,eleotuj. ×tkjdtrf, rjnjhsq djj,ot yt ljk;ty levfnm. Ó ytuj dct ljk;yj ,snm ghjcnj: jy pf[jlbn d cegthvfhrtn - tve ghb d[jlt chfpe lf.n rfnfkju cfvs[ ghjlfdftvs[ njdfhjd. Îy pf[jlbn d ryb;ysq vfufpby b yfnsrftncz yf cntyl cfvs[ ghjlfdftvs[ yjdbyjr vtczwf. È cfvjt ukfdyjt, xnj fccjhnbvtynysq gthtxtym bcreccndtyyj ehtpftncz b ghtlkfuftncz cjrhfotyyjt rjkbxtcndj dtotq. Ýnj rfcftncz b gjnht,bntkmcrjuj hsyrf, b eckeu, b byajhvfwbb. Òj tcnm ns djcghbybvftim vbh xthtp ntktdbpjh. Ïjvybnt, hfymit ,skf ahfpf - "ß yt [jxe cvjnhtnm yf vbh ukfpfvb Ñtyrtdbxf". Íj njulf ,skf lheufz ghj,ktvf - njulf ybrjuj ybrelf yt dsgecrfkb.
Ñfvjt jndhfnbntkmyjt d 'njv nj, xnj vfkj rnj [jxtn hfpj,hfnmcz d cenb dtotq. Ë.lb cfvb hfls j,vfysdfnmcz - ybxtuj lheujuj bv b yt yflj. È jyb nht,e.n bvtyyj nfrb[ rfhnbyjr, nfrb[ bcnjhbq, jyb d yb[ dthzn b c eljdjkmcndbtv b[ xbnf.n. Ìs dct d gktye e rhfcbds[ rfhnbyjr. Ìs [jnbv, xnj,s yfv b[ gjrfpsdfkb, vs cfvb [jnbv bvb ,snm.

À ult ghbxbyf b ult cktlcndbt? Îlby xtkjdtr ghb[jlbn b ,thtn bvtyyj nj, xnj ns crfpfk (lfqnt cfvjt kexitt, b dctuj gj ldf).
Ít afrn, xnj cfvjt kexitt, f lfqnt nj, xnj e dfc d cgbcrt pyfxbncz gjl gthdsv yjvthjv.

À lheujq ujdjhbn: lfqnt vyt bvtyyj djn 'nj. Òfrbt k.lb ytelj,ys?
Ë.lb, cgjcj,yst ghbybvfnm cfvjcnjzntkmyst htitybz, yt dsujlys yb jlyjq bp cbcntv - yb rjvveybcnbxtcrjq, yb ltvjrhfnbxtcrjq, yb njq cbcntvt, rjnjhfz ctqxfc dscnhfbdftncz d Ådhjgt. Âtlm yf cfvjv ltkt xnj vs dblbv ctqxfc d Ådhjgt? Âjn vs cvtzkbcm yfl cjdtncrjq gkfyjdjq 'rjyjvbrjq. À d Ådhjgt ctqxfc nj ;t cfvjt - dscnhfbdftncz cbcntvf cj.pys[ htcge,kbr: ds dshfobdftnt reh - vs dshfobdftv vfibys, ds dshfobdftnt gjvbljhs - vs dshfobdftv dbyjuhfl b ltkftv dbyj. Âct dvtcnt vs dshfobdftv gjnht,bntktq b pfntv vs dct lheu lheue ghjlftv. È djn, ljgecnbv, e yfc tcnm jncnfkst cnhfys - Ïjhneufkbz, Ècgfybz b Ãhtwbz, vs d yb[ pfrfxftv ,f,rb, xnj,s dshfcnbnm yjdst hsyrb c,snf. Òj tcnm vs dcnegftv d 'gj[e hfpyeplfyyjuj rjycm.vthbpvf, vs gtcnetv bltfkmyjuj xtkjdtrf, dtcm cvsck ltqcndbq rjnjhjuj d njv, xnj,s gjregfnm, gjregfnm, gjregfnm. Íf vjq dpukzl, Ådhjgf d tt ysytiytv cjcnjzybb j,htxtyf.

Òj tcnm evysq gjnht,bntkm - ytelj,ysq gjnht,bntkm?
Äf. Ïjnjve xnj tve ybxtuj ytdjpvj;yj dgfhbnm. Ådhjgtqcrfz cbcntvf 'nj jxtym xtnrj gjrfpsdftn. Ë.ltq, rjnjhst vsckzn b ghbybvf.n ytcnfylfhnyst htitybz, cbcntvf dsnfkrbdftn. Òs ljk;ty ,snm dbynbrjv cbcntvs - yf cdjtv hf,jxtv vtcnt, d cdjtv cjwbfkmyjv cnfnect. À tckb d ;thyjdf 'njq cbcntvs gjgflf.n djn nfrbt ufqrb - nt cfvst ytelj,yst k.lb - cbcntvf b[ dsnfkrbdftn. Îcnftncz ldf genb: kb,j gjrbyenm cbcntve, cnfd nfr yfpsdftvsv fcjwbfkmysv 'ktvtynjv, kb,j djpukfdbnm tt. Âjpukfdbd tt, ns lfkmit vj;tim xtutdfhbnm crjkmrj eujlyj - njkmrj e ct,z ljvf. À dyt tuj - buhfq gj ghfdbkfv. È dct buhf.n gj ghfdbkfv.

Íj dtlm ns vj;tim ltkfnm cjpyfntkmysq ds,jh: z yt [jxe gjregfnm djn 'ne vfibye, rjnjhe. vyt dct yfdzpsdf.n, f [jxe djn nfre., gjnjve xnj jyf vyt yhfdbncz.
Íe, 'nj b tcnm yfcnjzobt uthjb - tckb ujdjhbnm j hsyrt njdfhjd, rjnjhsq vyt ,kb;t. Íj b c ybvb vjycnh vfhrtnbyuf jxtym [jhjij hfpj,hfkcz. Â vfhrtnbyujdsv jnxtnf[ b gkfyf[ ghjldb;tybz njdfhjd yf hsyjr 'nb k.lb yfpsdf.ncz opinion makers. Èvtyyj bv d gthde. jxthtlm yflj dyeibnm, xnj 'nf vfibyf - kexit dct[, jyb 'nj crf;en dctv jcnfkmysv, b gjnjv 20 vbkkbjyjd lheub[ tt regzn. Â j,otv, b[ nj;t dgbcfkb d cbcntve. Åckb hfymit xtkjdtr ,sk lbccbltynjv, tuj vj;yj ,skj gjckfnm d kfuthm, ctqxfc d ghbywbgt, tckb ns lbccbltyn b ns yt cjukfcty c rfrbvb-nj j,otcndtyysvb vjvtynfvb, nt,t lflen njr-ije: dct xnj ds [jnbnt crfpfnm, ds crf;tnt d hfvrf[ njr-ije. È dtcm cvsck "lbccbls" chfpe nthztncz. Òt,t cbcntvf lftn nfre. djpvj;yjcnm, b pf gthdsq 'abh xtkjdtr gjkexftn ljcnfnjxyj ,jkmijt rjkbxtcndj ltytu. À lfkmit e;t dct - nt,z ghbdzpfkb. È dct ljdjkmys.

Íj dtlm k.lb, rjnjhst vjuen cfvjcnjzntkmyj vsckbnm, dct-nfrb d htfkmyjq ;bpyb ghbybvf.n htitybz, yt yfdzpfyyst j,otcndjv. Îcj,tyyj rjulf 'nj, crf;tv, rfcftncz nfrjq njyrjq vfnthbb, rfr k.,jdm... Â ndjtq rybut tcnm nfrbt uthjb?
 vjtq rybut tcnm ukfdysq uthjq, rjnjhsq gsnftncz 'nj ltkfnm. Íj jy cnjkmrj hfp yfl 'nbv cvtzkcz, xnj rjulf gjgflftn d cbnefwb. rfrjq-nj hjvfynbrb, dct[ 'nb[ njyrb[ vfnthbq... Õjhjibq njy, rjulf ns gjzdkztimcz hfp d ytltk. yf hfpys[ dtxthbyrf[ c hfpysvb ltdeirfvb, b djn jn 'njuj jxtym nhelyj jnjqnb - dtlm ytdjpvj;yj gjzdkznmcz rf;le. ytltk. c hfpysvb ltdeirfvb, f pf rflhjv rjuj-nj k.,bnm. Ó ytuj 'nj d ujkjdt yt crkflsdftncz. Òj tcnm jy ljk;ty buhfnm nfrjuj wbybxyjuj gjdtce, f rjulf r ytve ghb[jlzn bcnbyyst xedcndf, jy b[ ,jbncz, gjnjve xnj 'nj - htitybt b jghtltktyyfz jndtncndtyyjcnm. Ýnj, yfdthyjt, cfvsq ckj;ysq vjvtyn. Ýnjn wbybpv yfcnjkmrj dct ds;buftn dyenhb nt,z, xnj, c jlyjq cnjhjys, nt,t 'nb[ xedcnd jxtym [jxtncz, f c lheujq - ns ,jbimcz b yt yf[jlbim htitybz.

Î,otcndj, jgbcfyyjt e nt,z d rybut, - yfcnjzott? Òfv tcnm nfrbt k.lb d ghbywbgt?
Íf gthdjq cnhfybwt yfgbcfyj j njv, xnj dct afrns b cjdgfltybz ckexfqys, dct uthjb dsvsiktyyst, gjnjve xnj ltqcndbntkmyjcnm ujhfplj [e;t. Ïj ,jkmijve cxtne k.lb, jgbcsdftvst vyj., - 'nj jghtltktyysq cjwbfkmysq gkfcn, d rjnjhjv ,jkmifz xfcnm k.ltq bvtyyj nfrfz. Çltcm ytn ybxtuj dslevfyyjuj, d htfkmyjcnb ghjbc[jlzn ujhfplj [elibt dtob, rjnjhst yt [jxtncz jgbcsdfnm. Ïjnjve xnj, jgbcsdfz b[, ns ytdjkmyj b[ ghjvjenbhetim. Êjve-nj 'nj gjrf;tncz e;fcysv b jy pfrhjtn yf rk.x ldthm, f rnj-nj, ghjxbnfd, yfj,jhjn, jnrhjtn, gjnjve xnj gjhjrb, rfr bpdtcnyj, ghbnzufntkmys. Êjytxyj, ghjwtyn jgbcsdftvjq vyj. ge,kbrb ytdtkbr. Â rf;ljv ujhjlt, ,tpeckjdyj, tcnm gkfcn nfrb[ k.ltq. Åcntcndtyyj, xnj d ghjdbywbb 'njn ghjwtyn ujhfplj vtymit. Ïjnjve xnj vfnthbfkmysq ehjdtym ;bpyb ghjcnj yt gjpdjkztn nt,t pfybvfnmcz ukfvehjv b ghj;bufnm ;bpym.

Ñrf;b, gj;fkeqcnf, f vjlf yf yjhvfkmys[ k.ltq rjulf-yb,elm dthytncz?
Îgznm-nfrb dct ,eltn pfdbctnm jn vtlbf. Âtlm yjhvfkmyjcnm - 'nj jnyjcbntkmyjt gjyznbt. Ïj ,jkmijve cxtne bcgjrjy dtrjd j,otcndj ;bkj d hfpys[ cjwbfkmys[ gkjcrjcnz[. È vjlf ,eltn jgznm-nfrb pfdbctnm jn njuj, rfr 'nj ,eltn ghtgjlytctyj chtlcndfvb vfccjdjq byajhvfwbb. Âjpmvtv ntktdbpjh bkb ufptns. Íbrjve yt bynthtcyj xbnfnm ghj xtkjdtrf, rjnjhsq yf djghjc, rfr ghj[jlbn tuj ytltkz, jndtxftn: z hf,jnf., dtxthf ghjdj;e d rheue ctvmb, f d ds[jlyst dctq ctvmtq vs [jlbv d ntfnh. Ñ njxrb phtybz j,sdfntkz, 'nj f,cjk.nyj ytbynthtcyj. Âjn tckb xtkjdtr gbitn: ;bpym e vtyz ljcnfnjxyj ghjcnfz - ghjcsgf.cm d djctvm enhf d Ìjcrdt, j,tlf. z e;t, rfr ghfdbkj, d Ëjyljyt, f lfkmit z yt pyf.: vjue jrfpfnmcz d Ím.-Éjhrt, vjue - d Ïfhb;t, b 'nj ,eltn pfdbctnm njkmrj jn njq rjvgfybb, c rjnjhjq z gjgfle d cfvjktn. Âjn 'nj bynthtcyj!
ß edthty, xnj 99 ghjwtynjd k.ltq, rjnjhst ;bden yt d cnjkbwf[, ,elen xbnfnm 'ne rybue b ujdjhbnm: "'nj e yb[ d Ìjcrdt nfr, jyb nfv pf;hfnst, yfv 'nj ytbynthtcyj, bv ,s yfib ghj,ktvs" b n.l. Íj 'nj ;t kbwtvthbt, gjnjve xnj rfr hfp bvtyyj dcz jcnfkmyfz, "yt,jutvyfz" xfcnm j,otcndf jxtym ;bdj bynthtcetncz ;bpym. ,jutvs, bcnt,kbivtynf, rfr hfp bv-nj b bynthtcys dct 'nb crfylfks. Èvtyyj gj'njve gjgekzhys nf,kjbls d ajhvfnt "Ñtvb lytq" b cthbfks f-kz "Ðe,ktdrf. Live". Îyb [jnzn bvtyyj nfrb[ uthjtd. Âjghjc yt d djpdhfotybb vjls yf yjhvfkmys[ k.ltq, djghjc d njv, ye;ys kb jyb j,otcnde.

À ns gjkj;bntkmyj jwtybdftim nj, xnj vtlbqyfz vjlf jn rhbvbyfkf b vtynjd gjcntgtyyj gthtikf r Ðe,ktdrt?
Íf cfvjv ltkt z gjkj;bntkmyj jwtybdf. nj, xnj vtlbqyfz vjlf eikf jn rhbvbyfkf, vtynjd, ,fylbnjd b Ñfib Átkjuj r "9-q hjnt". Ýnj vyt ujhfplj ghbznytt. Ó[jl d cnjhjye Ðe,ktdrb b ukfvehf - 'nj lheufz rhfqyjcnm. Íf cfvjv ltkt vtlbfbylecnhbz ghjcnj gjrfpsdftn htnhjcgtrwb. - djn dxthf jyb ,skb ,fylbnfvb, ,skb dscnhtks, vf[byfwbb b dct ghjxtt, f ctqxfc - 'nj yfif Ðe,ktdrf.
Ó;fcyj nj, xnj yf njq ;t ghtckjdenjq Ðe,ktdrt tcnm juhjvyjt rjkbxtcndj [jhjib[ k.ltq, rjnjhst ;bden cjdctv lheubvb bynthtcfvb, xbnf.n rybub, [jlzn d ntfnh, pfybvf.ncz ,kfujndjhbntkmyjcnm., yj vtlbf b[ yt vfcinf,bhetn. Ïjnjve xnj jyb yt bynthtcys, yt gjhjxys. È[ tlbycndtyysq gjhjr pfrk.xftncz d njv, xnj jyb ,jufns. Íe b xnj j yb[ gbcfnm, tckb tcnm tot 250 xtkjdtr, rjnjhst yt njkmrj ,jufns, yj b ujhfplj ,jktt gjhjxys. Ýnj ukfdyfz jib,rf. Ïjnjve xnj dsnzubdfybt 'nb[ gthcjyf;tq - 'nj jn,jh bp kexib[ yfb,jktt [elib[ b ghtl]zdktybt b[ j,otcnde.
Êjulf Îrcfyf Ðj,crb gj ntktdbpjhe d nhb xfcf lyz hfccrfpsdftn ljvj[jpzqrfv, xtv kexit xbcnbnm ,hbkkbfyns, - 'nj gjkysq f,cehl. Ít cnjbn ujdjhbnm j "Ëtdjv gjdjhjnt" Õjljhrjdcrjuj, 'nj ybrjve yt bynthtcyj. Åuj cnfnmz ybxtuj yt bpvtybn d cnhfyt. À tckb rf;lsq ltym gjrfpsdfnm nfrbt gthtlfxb, nj hfyj bkb gjplyj k.lb dsqlen yf ekbws. Ýnj dct hfdyj, xnj d Ýabjgbb rheukjcenjxyj gjrfpsdfnm tle b dct djrheu edtifnm ,bk,jhlfvb c htrkfvjq xbcnjq gbnmtdjq djls. Ýnj nj, xnj e yfc ltkftn vtlbf.



Âjpdhfofzcm r rybut, r yfpdfyb.. Ìj;yj kb yfpdfnm 'nj gj-heccrb ,tple[jdyjcnm., ,tpsltqyjcnm.?
Äf. Ïjnjve xnj le[ - 'nj dct-nfrb jn ckjdf "le[jdyjcnm". Ýnj jxtym heccrjt ckjdj, z yt pyf. tve fyfkjujd yb d jlyjv zpsrt. Ó yfc jgznm-nfrb cj dhtvtytv 'nj ckjdj gjnthzkj ghfrnbxtcrbq cvsck b cnfkj vfkj egjnht,kztvsv. Îyj ybrjve ybxtuj yt ujdjhbn. Ïjvybim, dj dhtvz "jhfy;tdjq htdjk.wbb" ,skj nfrjt ckjdj "ytpfk';yjcnm". Ýnj nj;t ckjdj, rjnjhjt ybxtuj yt j,]zcyztn.
À xnj d ndjtv gjybvfybb yfcnjzofz le[jdyjcnm? Åckb pltcm le[jdyjcnb ytn, nj ult jyf tcnm?
Îyf, ,tpeckjdyj, tcnm e k.ltq, rjnjhst hfpevyj ,fkfycbhe.n vt;le vfnthbfkmysvb b ytvfnthbfkmysvb wtyyjcnzvb. Ðfpevysq ,fkfyc - 'nj nj, xnj gjpdjkztn xtkjdtre pfybvfnmcz le[jdysvb gjbcrfvb, hf,jnfnm yfl cdjbv le[jdysv hfpdbnbtv. Êjulf ndjz tlbycndtyyfz ghj,ktvf - xnj ctujlyz yfltnm dtxthjv, - 'nj e;fcyj, yj rjulf ndjz tlbycndtyyfz ghj,ktvf cjcnjbn d njv, xnj tcnm ctujlyziybv dtxthjv - 'nj tot e;fcytt. Ïjnjve xnj yb d jlyjq bp lde[ cbnefwbq ns yt ,eltim pfybvfnmcz cdjbv hfpdbnbtv. Ó nt,z ljk;yj ,snm dct [jhjij d ;bpyb. Ýnj gjpdjkbn nt,t pfybvfnmcz cdjbv hfpdbnbtv. Åcnm bpdtcnyfz ahfpf: [elj;ybr ljk;ty jcnfdfnmcz ujkjlysv. Ìyt rf;tncz, xnj 'nj yt cjdctv dthyj. Ëb,j cjdctv ytdthyj. Ífghbvth, tckb ,s z yt pfybvfkcz ,bpytcjv, dhzl kb ctk gbcfnm. Ìj;yj, rjytxyj, rhbdkznmcz b ujdjhbnm, xnj ytn, yt vjue yt gbcfnm, bkb xnj nfkfyn dctulf ct,z ghjzdbn, yj levf., xnj 'nj gj vtymitq vtht ytrjhhtrnyj.

Òs ujdjhbim, xtkjdtr ljk;ty ,snm ,kfujgjkexysv. Òt,t yf 'nj k.,jq xbnfntkm bp-gjl Èhrencrf bkb bp-gjl Êfpfyb crf;tn: ye djn, jgznm pfdtk cdj. lelre ghj ,kfujgjkexbt, f ns dbltk, xnj e yfc ndjhbncz? Ífv-nj xnj ltkfnm? ×tkjdtr ljk;ty hf,jnfnm, drfksdfnm b xtcnyj pfhf,fnsdfnm ltymub. Òs [jxtim crfpfnm, rfr bpdtcnysq bcnjhbxtcrbq ltzntkm: "j,jufofqntcm"?
ß [jxe crfpfnm, xnj, ,tpeckjdyj, ytkmpz dct cdjlbnm r ,fyfkmysv ltymufv b r ckjufye "j,jufofqntcm!" Íj ghjvjenbhjdfnm ecgtiyjcnm ytj,[jlbvj. Ó yfc b nfr ljkujt dhtvz cxbnfkjcm, xnj ,jufnsv ,snm cnslyj. Âjn ghjntcnfyncrfz 'nbrf d 'njv cvsckt vyt ,kb;t. Çfhf,fnsdfnm yt cnslyj - cnslyj yt pfhf,fnsdfnm. Ïj ,jkmijve cxtne dct vs ;bdtv lkz njuj, xnj,s lfnm ,eleott cdjbv ltnzv, f yf 'nj ,eleott yflj 'ktvtynfhyj pfhf,jnfnm. Â k.,jv htubjyt Ðjccbb tcnm e;t rfrjt-nj gjlj,bt chtlytuj rkfccf. Òj, xnj ,skj d 1993-1995 ujlf[, b nj, xnj tcnm d 2003-2005-v, - 'nj ldt cjdthityyj hfpyst cbnefwbb. Ìs gjrf yt dsikb yf njn ehjdtym ,kfujgjkexbz, rjnjhsq ctqxfc tcnm d Ådhjgt, d ÑØÀ, yj d k.,jv ckexft vs cltkfkb rfrbt-nj ifub. È gj'njve k.,jq xtkjdtr dcktl pf cnhfyjq ljk;ty gsnfnmcz xnj-nj vtyznm. ×tkjdtr ujdjhbn: "ß hf,jnf., e vtyz yfxfkmybr - rjptk, jy vtyz yt ecnhfbdftn, gkfnbn vfkj..." Åckb nt,z xnj-nj yt ecnhfbdftn, nj djpmvb b eqlb c 'njq hf,jns. Åckb nt,z yt ecnhfbdftn ;bnm nfv, ult ns ;bdtim, ns ljk;ty cltkfnm ifu b gthtt[fnm

Êcnfnb, yfv yflj ghtlcnfdbnm nt,z xbnfntkzv. Òs pfybvftimcz ,bpytcjv. Êfrbv?
ß pfybvf.cm fkrjujkmysv ,bpytcjv, pfybvf. gjcn herjdjlzotuj hf,jnybrf (ujdjhz zpsrjv cjdtncrjq fyrtns) d ljcnfnjxyj cthmtpyjq fkrjujkmyjq rjvgfybb, rjnjhfz ghjlftn [jhjibq fkrjujkm. Õjhjibq ghbvth, rcnfnb. Åckb vs ujdjhbv j cnthtjnbgf[, nj e yfc dctulf ntvf fkrjujkz - 'nj gkj[fz ntvf, ujdjhbnm j ytq cnslyj, gjhjxyj b n.l. Ìs ghjlftv rfr hfp nt yfgbnrb, rjnjhst cjplfys yt lkz njuj, xnj,s yfgbdfnmcz, f dct-nfrb gjkexfnm jn 'njuj eljdjkmcndbt.

Âtltybt ,bpytcf d Ìjcrdt, d Ðjccbb b lf;t d vt;leyfhjlyjv ajhvfnt nht,etn rjynfrnjd c jghtltktyysvb k.lmvb, exfcnbz d njv, xnj ns jgbcsdftim d rybut?
Átpeckjdyj, k.,jq ajhvfn hf,jns ctuvtynf k.rc - xfcs, ljhjubt .dtkbhyst erhfitybz bkb cgbhnyst yfgbnrb, ukzywtdst ;ehyfks - 'nj hf,jnf c jghtltktyysv ajhvfnjv felbnjhbb. Ýnj ndjq gjnht,bntkmcrbq hsyjr. È ytdf;yj, ghjbc[jlbn 'nj d Ìjcrdt bkb d Ím.-Éjhrt.

Òt,t cfvjve nhelyj ,skj dcnegfnm d 'nj j,otcndj?
ß yt vjue crfpfnm, xnj ,skj nhelyj. Ìyt d 'njv cvsckt gjdtpkj, gjnjve xnj z j,ofkcz c jxtym [jhjibvb k.lmvb, vyt dctulf yf yb[ dtpkj. Åot ye;yj jxtym xtnrj gjybvfnm, xnj nt,t vj;tn ,snm ghbznyj j,ofnmcz c k.lmvb, f vj;tn ,snm b ytghbznyj, yj rjulf htxm bltn j ,bpytct, nj 'nj e;t lheufz gkjcrjcnm. Ðf,jnf 'nbv b jnkbxftncz jn dhtvzghjdj;ltybz.

À dczrbt vjlyst gthcjyf;b - Êctybz Ñj,xfr b ghjxbt: lkz yb[ 'njn j,hfp ;bpyb - lfyyjcnm bkb jyb cjpyfntkmyj r 'njve ghb[jlzn?
Ít pyfrjv c Êctybtq Ñj,xfr b yt vjue crfpfnm, rfr jyf r 'njve ghbikf b yhfdbncz tq 'nj bkb ytn. ß levf., xnj cfvst pfvtnyst abuehs dctuj 'njuj ldb;tybz, tckb 'nj djj,ot vj;yj yfpdfnm ldb;tybtv, ,tpeckjdyj, k.lb ytcnfylfhnyst, b, gjctofz dct 'nb vthjghbznbz, lfdfz bynthdm., jyb ytcen jghtltktyye. cjwbfkmye. aeyrwb.. ß gjkfuf., xnj jyb jnlf.n ct,t jnxtn d njv, xnj jyb ltkf.n. ß jxtym [jntk ,s d 'nj dthbnm. Çyftim, tcnm nthvby "hf,jnfnm yf rfvthe". Îyb hf,jnf.n yf vtlbf b dj vyjujv ujdjhzn nj, xnj jn yb[ [jnzn ecksifnm.

À cfv ns rfr r 'nbv k.lzv jnyjcbimcz? Âjn, yfghbvth, dct nf ;t Êctybz Ñj,xfr - 'nj gjpbnbdysq gthcjyf; bkb ytufnbdysq?
ß cxbnf., xnj heufnm Ñj,xfr - 'nj ,tccvsckbwf b lehyjq njy. Ïhj ytt d gjcktlytt dhtvz yt gbcfk ufljcntq njkmrj ;ehyfkbcn bp ufptns "Ñtkmcrfz yjdm".

Âjpdhfofzcm r nt,t. Ìyjubt vjuen crfpfnm: "À, ryb;re yfgbcfk - 'nj nbgbxysq rhbpbc chtlytuj djphfcnf..."
Êybuf, ,tpeckjdyj, zdkztncz gjgsnrjq j,jpyfxbnm yjdst dt[b d cdjtv cj,cndtyyjv hfpdbnbb b xnj-nj gthtjcvsckbnm. Ïjnjve xnj vyjubt bp jgbcfyys[ cbnefwbq ghj[jlbkb gthtl vjbvb ukfpfvb. ß yt vjue crfpfnm, xnj z ,sk ytgjchtlcndtyysv exfcnybrjv 'nb[ cbnefwbq, yj yf,k.lfk b[. Ýnj gjgsnrf htitybz rfrb[-nj rhbpbcys[ cbnefwbq xthtp dsgktcrbdfybt yf ,evfue. Êhbpbc chtlytuj djphfcnf rfr b k.,jq lheujq rhbpbc - 'nj [jhjij, gjnjve xnj bp rhbpbcf k.lb ds[jlzn j,yjdbdibvbcz, c ybvb xnj-nj ghjbc[jlbn. Êhbpbcf yt ,sdftn e ghbvbnbdys[ k.ltq, rjnjhst yt [jnzn levfnm, yt [jnzn hfpdbdfnmcz. Ýnj gjgsnrf jcvsckbnm nj, xnj c yfvb ghjbc[jlbkj, b nj, xnj ns [jntk, xnj,s ghjbc[jlbkj c nj,jq lfkmit.

×nj vj;tn lfnm ndjz rybuf xtkjdtre, rjnjhsq cfv ;bdtn d jgbcfyyjv nj,jq vbht?
ß [jxe, xnj,s 'nj lfkj tve njkmrj jlyj: xnj,s jy d rfrjq-nj vjvtyn ctk b gjlevfk, xnj,s jy pfgbcfk e ct,z d jhufyfqptht: "Ïjlevfnm j njv, xnj ghjbc[jlbn djrheu". È tckb jy [jnz ,s gjlevftn, nj lfkmit ckexbncz xnj-nj [jhjitt, gjnjve xnj ;bpym - 'nj yt cghbyn, f vfhfajycrfz lbcnfywbz, ghbxtv lbcnfywbz c jcnfyjdrfvb, b b[ yflj bcgjkmpjdfnm lkz njuj, xnj,s d jghtltktyys[ njxrf[ vfhihenf jcjpyfdfnm nj, xnj ns cltkfk, b nj, xnj ns [jxtim cltkfnm lfkmit. Ïjnjve xnj d ,tcwtkmyjv ldb;tybb - rfr e dtkjcbgtlbcnf yf nhjct, rjnjhsq, tckb jcnfyjdbncz, nj egfltn, - ybxtuj [jhjituj ytn. ß [jxe, xnj,s k.lb levfkb, xnj,s, ghjxbnfd rybue, jyb pf[jntkb ghbybvfnm cfvjcnjzntkmyst htitybz, yf rjnjhst ,s dkbzkb b[ dyenhtyybt afrnjhs, f yt dytiybt.



À ns ujnjd r njve, xnj nt,z yfpjden tot jlybv ukfvehysv gbcfntktv?
ß cxbnf., xnj "ÄÓÕLESS" - fynbukfvehysq hjvfy. Êfr e Àylthctyf - gjpjkjnf cjnhtncz, f cdbyfz rj;f jcnfytncz. ß [jxe gjrfpfnm, xnj gjpjkjnf ytghtvtyyj cjnhtncz.
Òs yt ,jbimcz, xnj vyjubt xbnfntkb edblzn d ndjtq rybut ct,z?
Áj.cm? Äf z njkmrj hflb 'njuj b cnfhfkcz. Åcnm vfktymrbq, yj ifyc, xnj, ghjxbnfd rybue, ytrjnjhst bp yb[ pflevf.ncz j njv, xnj pthrfkj dbcbn yt njkmrj lkz njuj, xnj,s jwtybnm [jhjij cblzobq rjcn.v. Èyjulf gjktpyj gjcvjnhtnm yf ct,z cj cnjhjys.

Ñhtlb uthjtd ndjtuj hjvfyf euflsdf.ncz bpdtcnyst gthcjyf;b cdtncrjq [hjybrb, ,bpytcf, gjkbnbrb. Êfr ns 'nj ghjrjvvtynbhetim?
Íbrfr. Ó vtyz c ybvb ljujdjhtyyjcnm. Êjltrc vjkxfybz. Îyb d cdj. jxthtlm gjj,tofkb ybrjve yt hfccrfpsdfnm j njv, xnj vyjubt bcnjhbb z pfgbcsdfk c b[ ckjd.

Ðfccrf;b j cdjb[ ghtlgjxntybz[ d j,kfcnb kbnthfnehs, rbyj, vepsrb, ntktdbltybz. Ênj lkz nt,z zdkztncz byntkktrnefkmysv jhbtynbhjv?
Åckb dshf;fnmcz d ajhvfnt Èynthytnf, nj gjbcrjdsvb ckjdfvb rfntujhbb "z k.,k.", gj rjnjhsv vtyz vj;yj ,skj ,s yfqnb, crjhtt dctuj zdbkbcm ,s cktle.obt: Èdfy Áeyby, heccrfz gj'pbz Ñtht,hzyjuj dtrf, hflbj "Ìfrcbvev", uheggf "Êhjdjcnjr", Ífqjvb Êkzqy, Âkflbvbh Ñjhjrby, Ôhtlthbr Átu,tlth, Íbk Ãtqvfy, Ìb[fbk Åkbpfhjd, Depeche Mode, Morrisey, "9 hjnf", njr-ije Ñjkjdmtdf, htfkbnb-ije "Îabc".
 nj ;t dhtvz rk.xtdsvb ckjdfvb d rfntujhbb "z ytyfdb;e", gj rjnjhsv vtyz njxyj ytkmpz ,skj ,s yfqnb ybrjulf, cnfkb ,s: Àktrcfylh Ñjk;tybwsy, ghjpf "itcnbltcznybrjd", "Ðeccrjt hflbj", uheggf "Çdthb", Ìbitkm Ó'km,tr, Àktrcfylh Ïhj[fyjd, Ýlefhl Ëbvjyjd, Õfherb Ìehfrfvb, Ïfjkj Êe'kmj, heccrbq hjr, ntktghjuhfvvf "Óvybrb b Óvybws", ndjhxtcndj ,fhljd b ifycjy, htfkbnb-ije "Äjv-2", abkmvs rfntujhbb ",evth-,hbuflf-gfwfys".
×nj tot? Äf, b rjytxyj ;t z ybrjulf yt ghbrktbdfk ;dfxrb r cnjke b yt ujkjcjdfk pf nfr yfpsdftvs[ kb,thfkjd.

 ndjtq rybut ljcnfnjxyj xfcnj egjnht,kztncz ytyjhvfnbdyfz ktrcbrf. Ífcrjkmrj 'nj jghfdlfyyj?
Ê xtve kbwtvthbnm? Íf nfr yfpsdftvjq ytyjhvfnbdyjq ktrcbrt j,of.ncz ltgenfns, vbybcnhs, uthjb njr-ije, yf ytv ujdjhbn Èynthytn. Ýnj nj, xnj dcnhtxftncz d gjdctlytdyjq ;bpyb.
Ëbnthfnehysq zpsr XIX dtrf - d rkfccbxtcrjv gjybvfybb - yt vj;tn jgbcfnm cjdhtvtyysq ujhjl, tuj uthjtd b b[ lbfkjub. Çfxtv yfpsdfnm rhfcye. vfibye "fdnj wdtnf rjhfkkf yf chtpt". Ít ghjot kb crfpfnm, xnj jyf rhfcyfz? Íte;tkb ds levftnt, xnj rke,yst ltdjxrb b b[ lhepmz ujdjhzn yf zpsrt Òehutytdf? Ìyt ,skj df;yj vfrcbvfkmyj njxyjt djcghjbpdtltybt ltqcndbntkmyjcnb. Èvtyyj gj'njve d vjtq rybut ytrjnjhst uthjb heuf.ncz vfnjv, egjnht,kz.n yfhrjnbrb, bpvtyz.n ;tyfv b dtlen fvjhfkmysq j,hfp ;bpyb. Ïjnjve xnj z ltqcndbntkmyj cxbnf. nfrjq j,hfp ;bpyb fvjhfkmysv.

Ãthjzvb ndjtq rybub zdkz.ncz gjkbnbxtcrbt ltzntkb - nfrbt, rfr Ïenby b Õjljhrjdcrbq. Òs pfybvftimcz gjkbnbrjq? Êfrjds ndjb gjkbnbxtcrbt dpukzls?
Âct ujdjhzn, xnj jyb yt pfybvf.ncz gjkbnbrjq, [jnz njkmrj 'nj b ltkf.n.  cjdhtvtyyjv vbht ytkmpz dtcnb frnbdye. ltzntkmyjcnm b jcnfdfnmcz dyt gjkbnbxtcrjuj gjkz. Ïj'njve z crjhtt cxbnf., xnj rfr hfp pfybvf.cm gjkbnbrjq. Âpukzls? Ìjq tlbycndtyysq gjkbnbxtcrbq dpukzl - 'nj ufptnf ÂÇÃËßÄ (ienrf).
Íf cfvjv ltkt gjkbnbxtcrbt dpukzls e vtyz rkfccbxtcrbt lkz cjdhtvtyyjuj j,hfpjdfyyjuj vjkjljuj xtkjdtrf - gjkysq dbytuhtn. În kb,thfkmys[ bltq lj ;tcnrjq ujcelfhcndtyyjcnb. Â wtkjv - z cjwbfkmyj jndtncndtyysq ,bpytcvty b ge,kbwbcn.

Òs yt ,jbimcz, xnj gjckt cnjkm hflbrfkmyjq rybub, rhbnbre.otq cjdhtvtyyjt j,otcndj, yf nt,z yf,hjcbncz ghtccf?
Ít ,j.cm. ß cfv b tcnm ghtccf. Ìj. fdnjhcre. rjkjyre yf ÂÇÃËßÄt t;tlytdyj xbnf.n ltcznrb nsczx xtkjdtr. ß gjkexf. juhjvyjt rjkbxtcndj gbctv. Ñhtlb fdnjhjd 'nb[ gbctv tcnm nfrbt freks gthf, gjckt cnjkryjdtybz c rjnjhsvb d gkfyt ghtccs e;t vfkj xnj vj;tn bcgeufnm.

Ñfv-nj, yfdthyjt, vtxnftim j njr-ije yf ÍÒÂ?
À lkz xtuj, gj-dfitve, z gjnhfnbk ltdznm vtczwtd yf yfgbcfybt rybub? (Ñvttncz.)

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