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Ïhtlctlfntkm ghfdktybz IMHO VI Àhcty Ðtdfpjd hfccrfpfk j hsyrt bynthytn-htrkfvs b j tuj gthcgtrnbdf[
Ðsyjr bynthytn-htrkfvs yt gjytctn gjnthm d rhbpbcyjv 2009 ujle. Ýnj ghjbpjikj bp-pf njuj, xnj dct tuj exfcnybrb: futyncndf, bynthytn-htcehcs b htrkfvjlfntkb – cevtkb ghblnb r tlbysv ghfdbkfv buhs. Î gthcgtrnbdf[ 'njuj hsyrf, j njv, yfcrjkmrj gjktpyj ghjtrnfv hfpvtofnm htrkfve dyt Èynthytnf, j htrkfvys[ djpvj;yjcnz[ hfpys[ dbljd htcehcjd ÂÇÃËßÄe hfccrfpfk ghtlctlfntkm ghfdktybz futyncndf IMHO VI Àhcty Ðtdfpjd.– Àhcty, rfrjdf ctqxfc cbnefwbz c htrkfvjq d Èynthytnt? Ìj;yj kb ghjuyjpbhjdfnm, rfrbv ,eltn j,]tv 'njuj hsyrf r rjywe 2009 ujlf?
– Êfrbt-nj ghjuyjps vj;yj ltkfnm njkmrj c eckjdbtv, xnj yt ckexbncz dnjhjq djkys rhbpbcf. Åckb dct ,eltn ,jktt bkb vtytt cnf,bkmyj, nj htpekmnfn 2009 ujlf d ltyt;yjv dshf;tybb ,eltn bltynbxty htpekmnfne 2008 ujlf. Ájkmijuj hjcnf ytn, yj b ,jkmib[ gjnthm vs yt yf,k.lftv. «Íf yfitv hsyrt yt pfrhskjcm yb jlyjuj futyncndf, ytn cjrhfotybq, pfhgkfns d he,ktdjv 'rdbdfktynt yt cyb;f.ncz» – Ífcrjkmrj ghjuyjps, rjnjhst ltkfkbcm jctym. 2008 ujlf, cjdgflf.n c ntv, xnj ds ctqxfc dblbnt yf hsyrt?
– Êjytxyj, d b.kt vs yt pyfkb, xnj hsyjr gjdtltn ct,z bvtyyj nfr. Ítrjnjhst buhjrb hsyrf djj,ot ;lfkb ghbhjcn d 10–20%, b bv ghbikjcm rjhhtrnbhjdfnm j;blfybz. Õjnz yfi ghjuyjp, cltkfyysq d jrnz,ht, gjrf jghfdlsdftncz. À ,bpytc-gkfy yf 2009 ujl vs pfobnbkb d yjz,ht. Â htpekmnfnt vs cdthcnfkb cdjq he,ktdsq ,.l;tn bp hfcxtnf, fyfkjubxyjuj 2008 ujle. – Òtv yt vtytt d ljkkfhf[ gfltybt gjkexbkjcm ghbkbxysv?
– Ýnj ghj,ktvs ljkkfhf. – Ïjzdbkbcm kb yf hsyrt rfrbt-nj yjdst ghtlkj;tybz, dspdfyyst rhbpbcjv?
– Ãkj,fkmyj vj;yj crfpfnm kbim jlyj: pfvtnyj cybpbkbcm wtys. Ýnj dshf;ftncz ghtbveotcndtyyj d dblt crbljr, djphjckb rkbtyncrbt ,jyecs. Íf ytrjnjhs[ cfqnf[ jyb ljcnbukb 100%, nj tcnm rkbtyn gjregftn jlby rjvgktrn htrkfvys[ eckeu, dnjhjq bltn ,tcgkfnyj. Ýnj rfcftncz htcehcjd c dscjrjq cnjbvjcnm. htrkfvs, rjnjhst gjrf yt ujnjds cyb;fnm wtys yf ytt. – Ýrcgthns b bccktljdfntkb Èynthytnf rfr vtlbfchtls ujdjhzn j tuj ytljjwtytyyjcnb c rjvvthxtcrjq njxrb phtybz. Ïjxtve njulf yt hfcntn hsyjr htrkfvs?
– Äf, hsyjr yt hfcntn, yj cnjbn extcnm, xnj jcnfkmyst htrkfvyst hsyrb gflf.n. Ñfv gj ct,t afrn cj[hfytybz gjpbwbq ujdjhbn j, ecnjqxbdjv bynthtct r 'njq chtlt. Ê njve ;t hsyjr cnfk ghbdktrfntkmytt lkz rkbtynjd, rjnjhst pf nt ;t ltymub gjkexf.n yf 30–40% ,jkmit bydtynfhz. È cnjbn j,hfnbnm dybvfybt, xnj ghb 'njv rkbtyns yt cyb;f.n ,.l;tns. Íf yfitv hsyrt yt pfrhskjcm yb jlyjuj futyncndf, ytn cjrhfotybq, pfhgkfns d he,ktdjv 'rdbdfktynt yt cyb;f.ncz. – Ïhblen kb d Èynthytn rfrbt-nj yjdst htrkfvjlfntkb?
– Â Èynthytnt ctqxfc hfpvtof.ncz gjxnb dct rhegyst buhjrb. Ít ghbikb kbim rjvgfybb, pfbynthtcjdfyyst d ctuvtynt «ljvj[jpzqrb c lj[jljv chtlybq – yb;t chtlytuj». Íj jyb b yt ghblen, b vs ,tp yb[ gtht;bdtv. Ájktt njuj, j,hfnbkb ghbcnfkmyjt dybvfybt yf hfpvtotybt d Ñtnb nt buhjrb, rjnjhst njkmrj-njkmrj cnfkb lfdfnm fltrdfnyst ,.l;tns. Ýnj, d gthde. jxthtlm, rjvgfybb, dsgecrf.obt FMCG-njdfhs (fast moving consumer goods – njdfhs gjdctlytdyjuj cghjcf). Ðfymit b[ ,.l;tns cjcnfdkzkb 100 nsc. ljkkfhjd d ujl, ghbnjv xnj cjnjdst jgthfnjhs drkflsdfkb d 20–30 hfp ,jkmit. Ñtqxfc jyb dsikb yf 'njn ehjdtym. – Ífcrjkmrj hsyjr ctqxfc htuekbhetncz htfkmysvb htrkfvjlfntkzvb, f yfcrjkmrj – futyncndfvb?
– Ñrfpfnm, rnj htuekbhetn hsyjr, jxtym ckj;yj. Ñtqxfc dct nhb cbcntvs: rkbtyns, futyncndf b gkjoflrb (f nfr;t b[ ctkkths) – d hfdyjq cntgtyb exfcnde.n d jhufybpfwbb hsyrf. Àutyncndf pfyzkb ,jktt dpdtityye. gjpbwb. d cdzpb c rhbpbcjv. Îyb cnfkb ,jktt jndtncndtyyj ct,z dtcnb d 'njv ujle. – Êhbpbc pfcnfdbk dshf,jnfnm tlbyst ghfdbkf buhs?
– Îyb ckj;bkbcm bynebnbdyj. Àutyncndf b gkjoflrb gthtcnfkb ;flybxfnm, rkbtyns cnfkb ,jktt j,hfpjdfyysvb b, e,tlbdibcm, xnj htrkfvf pltcm hf,jnftn, yt cnfkb cyb;fnm ,.l;tns. Âct[ ctqxfc bynthtcetn 'aatrnbdyjcnm htrkfvs. Â 'njv cvsckt rhbpbc, rjytxyj, jrfpfk jpljhfdkbdf.ott dkbzybt yf hsyjr. – Òj tcnm cbnefwbz rjywf 2008-uj – yfxfkf 2009 ujlf, rjulf gkjoflrb ,skb ytljdjkmys fggtnbnfvb futyncnd, j,dbyzz b[ d gjkextybb pfdsityys[ rjvbccbjyys[ dsgkfn, ctqxfc bpvtybkfcm?
– Êjytxyj, bpvtybkfcm. Ïjckt njuj rfr ghjikj xtnsht rhegys[ ntylthf, dct bpvtybkjcm. Àutyncndf dcgjvybkb, xnj jyb, djj,ot-nj, pfobof.n bynthtcs rkbtynf, b dct cnfkj cgjrjqyj. «Àutyncndf dcgjvybkb, xnj jyb, djj,ot-nj, pfobof.n bynthtcs rkbtynf, b dct cnfkj cgjrjqyj» – Îyb gjikb yf nj, xnj,s evthbnm fggtnbns?
– È[ pfcnfdbkf rjyrehtywbz. Êhbpbc tt j,jcnhbk. Înyjitybz cnfkb ,jktt hsyjxysvb. Ðfymit yf hsyrt vtcnf [dfnfkj dctv. À ntgthm – yflj pf ytuj gj,jhjnmcz. Äf b rkbtyns cnfkb lj,bdfnmcz ybprb[ wty, cnfkb nht,jdfnm jn futyncnd ghjphfxyjcnb. Ýnj gjkexbkjcm, d j,otv-nj, cfvj cj,jq. – Ífhbcjdfyyfz rfhnbyf jxtym hfle;yfz. Ñ xtv cdzpfyj nfrjt tt bpvtytybt jnyjcbntkmyj yfxfkf ujlf, rjulf vyjubt buhjrb hsyrf lfdfkb tldf kb yt fgjrfkbgnbxtcrbt ghjuyjps?
– Âct gcb[jdfkb d yfxfkt ujlf, yt pyfkb, relf gjqlen ltyt;yst gjnjrb. Ïjnjv vs vj;tv crfpfnm, xnj vs dsbuhfkb djqye – djqye pf ghjphfxyjcnm hsyrf. – À rfr ds 'nj cltkfkb?
– Ìs 'nj cltkfkb, djppdfd r hfpeve exfcnybrjd hsyrf. Ìs yt ghbvtyzkb rfrb[-nj 'rcnhtvfkmys[ vth, vs bvtkb kbim yt,jkmie. gjllth;re ÑÌÈ. – Êfrbt ghjlerns: ÑÌÈ, gjhnfks, cjwbfkmyst ctnb, dbltj[jcnbyub – yfb,jktt djcnht,jdfys ctqxfc htrkfvjlfntkzvb? Èkb ;t cghjc d lfyyjv ckexft ajhvbhe.n futyncndf?
– Ífb,jktt djcnht,jdfyj nj, xnj vfrcbvfkmyj 'aatrnbdyj. Ñjwbfkmyst ctnb frnbdyj boen genb r cthlwe htrkfvjlfntkz, yj gjrf b[ yt yfikb. Íf vjq dpukzl, 'nj cdzpfyj c ntv, xnj yt j,hfoftncz ljk;yjuj dybvfybz yf pfgflysq jgsn, yfghbvth Facebook, gj cjplfyb. cjj,otcnd gj bynthtcfv. Òj, xnj ltkftncz, – dzkj b hj,rj. Âtlm cjwbfkmyfz ctnm – 'nj rjvveybrfwbjyyjt chtlcndj, gjkmpjdfntkb j,of.ncz j xtv-nj vt;le cj,jq. Ðtrkfvf ujhfplj vtytt 'aatrnbdyf, rjulf jyf dnjhuftncz d b[ j,otybt. Åckb tcnm fdnjvj,bkmyjt cjj,otcndj, nfv htrkfvf vfiby evtcnyf b djcghbybvftncz rfr xfcnm byajhvfwbjyyjuj ajyf. À rjulf hfpujdjh dtltncz j lfxf[, hs,fkrt bkb ltdeirf[, htrkfvf k.,juj njdfhf ,eltn d kexitv ckexft rfpfnmcz ckexfqyj nelf gjgfditq. Â [elitv jyf ,eltn dsukzltnm ytevtcnyj. Êjyntynyst cfqns cdj. htrkfvye. vjltkm yfikb b ghtrhfcyj tq gjkmpe.ncz. Âbltj[jcnbyub hfpdbdf.ncz vtlktyytt, xtv vs ;lfkb, yj 'nj cdzpfyj c rhbpbcjv. Ákjub nj;t [jhjij ct,z xedcnde.n. – À rfr bv elftncz yfwtkbdfnm htrkfve yf rjyrhtnyjuj gjkmpjdfntkz?
– Íbrfr. Ïj'njve ,kjub – ltitdsq htrkfvysq bycnhevtyn. Âghjxtv, ,kju gj cdjtve djpltqcndb. ,jkmit gj[j; yf ÑÌÈ, xtv yf cjwbfkmye. ctnm. – Ífcrjkmrj djcnht,jdfyyjcnm gkjoflrb rjhhtkbhetn c 'aatrnbdyjcnm.? Ãlt 'aatrnbdytt dctuj hfpvtofnm vtlbqye. htrkfve?
– Ýaatrnbdyjcnm cnjbn dj ukfdt eukf k.,jq htrkfvyjq rfvgfybb. Ñtujlyz futyncndf gjpdjkz.n rkbtyne cvjnhtnm pf gjdtltybtv gjkmpjdfntkz yf cfqnt (cbcntvf Post-Click), kturj jghtltkbnm 'aatrnbdyjcnm gkjoflrb bkb ,fyythf. Ïjl 'aatrnbdyjcnm. vs gjybvftv nj gjdtltybt gjkmpjdfntkz yf cjplfyyjv cfqnt, rjnjhjt [jxtn htrkfvjlfntkm. È rf;lsq rkbtyn cfv jghtltkztn nj, xnj tve [jxtncz. Ñrf;tv, lkz bvbl;tds[ rfvgfybq ye;ty j[dfn, gj'njve rhegyst rkbtyns gjregf.n ,fyyths yf gthdjq cnhfybwt «ßyltrcf». Äkz nfrnbxtcrb[ rfvgfybq ye;yj bpextybt gjdtltybz yf cfqnt. Êfrjuj-nj jlyjuj htwtgnf ytn, b 'nj jnkbxyj. Ájktt njuj, jlby rkbtyn vj;tn ltkfnm hfpyst rfvgfybb: bvbl;tdst, ghjlernjdst. Ñtqxfc ,jkmit bynthtce.ncz ghjlernjdsvb, xnj tcntcndtyyj. – Ífcrjkmrj xfcnj htrkfvjlfntkm (bkb futyncndj) ujnjd drkflsdfnmcz d rfrbt-nj ytj,sxyst c njxrb phtybz htfkbpfwbb ghjtrns? Ñrf;tv, rfrfz-nj htrkfvf d dbltj[jcnbyuf[ bkb d ,kjuf[?
– Âct boen ctqxfc ytcnfylfhnyst genb r rkbtyne. Ítcnfylfhn cnfyjdbncz cnfylfhnjv. Ïjkmpetncz cghjcjv njn genm, rjnjhsq dspsdftn ,jkmibq bynthtc gjkmpjdfntkz. Íj ytcnfylfhnyfz htrkfvf b cnjbn ljhj;t. Ýnj vjuen ,snm b [jcnbyub, b dct, xnj eujlyj. Èynthytn d 'njv cvsckt ghtlcnfdkztn gjxnb ,tpuhfybxysq ghjcnjh lkz ndjhxtcndf. – Ít ,jbncz kb rkbtyn, xnj jy c 'nbvb cdjbvb rhensvb hjkbrfvb gjgfltn d jrhe;tybt ytrfxtcndtyyjuj rjyntynf?
– Ítrfxtcndtyysq rjyntyn, hfpevttncz, jngeubdftn. Îcrjh,bntkmysq, gbhfncrbq, wbybxysq, ghjcnj dnjh;tybt d xfcnj f,cjk.nyj ,tpuhfvjnyst lbfkjub gjkmpjdfntktq, hfpevttncz, ybrjve yt ye;ys. Âct pfdbcbn jn vfhrtnbyujdjq pflfxb rkbtynf, jn njuj, rfrbt wtkb jy ct,t cnfdbn. Íj rfr z db;e cbnefwb. – jyb yt ,jzncz, jyb dct e;t ghj,jdfkb, jn ytrfxtcndtyyjuj rjyntynf jnrfpfkbcm. Ñnhf[ jnyjcbncz, crjhtt, r vj,bkmyjve vfhrtnbyue, nfv ltqcndbntkmyj rkbtyn xtuj-nj yt gjybvftn. Â bynthytn-htrkfvt, gjdnjh.cm, cnhf[f e rkbtynjd ybrfrjuj ytn, yj yf cfqns c rjyntynjv, cjplfyysv cfvbv gjkmpjdfntktv, jyb blen jxtym jcnjhj;yj. – Òj, xnj ,jkmibycndj hjccbqcrb[ htrkfvys[ futyncnd d[jlzn d rhegyst vt;leyfhjlyst ctnb, gjvjuftn bkb vtiftn hfpdbnb. hjccbqcrjuj hsyrf bynthytn-htrkfvs?
– Ýnj njxyj yt vtiftn hsyre. ß yt vjue crfpfnm, xnj 'nj ghbdjlbn r gjnjre pfgflys[ nt[yjkjubq c.lf, [jnz ytrjnjhst futyncndf b[ bcgjkmpe.n. Ífghbvth, StarCom/MediaWest Publicis Group frnbdyj dytlhztn tdhjgtqcrbt b fvthbrfycrbt nt[yjkjubb, xnj gjktpyj, rjytxyj. «Â rhbpbc rjyntrcnyfz htrkfvf ljk;yf ,skf, gj vjbv hfcxtnfv, njkmrj dsbuhfnm – f jyf yt dsbuhfkf» – Æltnt kb ds rfrjuj-nj ujcelfhcndtyyjuj dvtifntkmcndf yf hsyjr bynthytn-htrkfvs? Ñrf;tv, pfghtn yf htrkfve cbufhtn bkb gbdf? Âjpvj;yj kb 'nj d rhbpbc?
– ß ghj 'nj ybxtuj yt cksifk, yj dkfcnb ghjzdkz.n gjdsityye. frnbdyjcnm d j,kfcnb Èynthytnf. Åckb 'nj ckexbncz, nj ybrfr yt gjdkbztn yf bylecnhb. – e yfc jxtym vfkj hfpvtof.ncz nf,fxyst rjvgfybb, xnj rfcftncz htrkfvs gbdf, nj dct rhtfnbds cjjndtncnde.n pfrjye j htrkfvt, ecnfyjdktys djphfcnyst lbcrktqvths – gthtl ntv rfr pfqnb yf cnhfybwe c gbdyjq htrkfvjq, cbcntvf cghfibdftn, tcnm kb gjkmpjdfntk. 18 ktn. Ìyt rf;tncz, xnj tckb [jxtncz cjrhfofnm gjnht,ktybt gbdf, nj ye;yj ,jhjnmcz c gjdctvtcnysvb ghjlf;fvb gbdf, f yt c htrkfvjq. Íj z yt levf., xnj dkfcnb yf 'nj gjqlen – gbdyfz jnhfckm vyjuj ltytu lftn d ,.l;tn. – Ïjxtve IMHO VI ghbyzkj htitybt dsqnb yf hsyjr rjyntrcnyjq htrkfvs c ghjtrnjv «Ákjylbyrf»? Ít ,jbntcm, xnj yf ajyt rhbpbcf nfrbt dkj;tybz jrf;encz ytjghfdlfyysvb?
– Ë.,jq ,bpytcvty, dsdjlzobq ljhjujcnjzobq b yjdfnjhcrbq ghjlern, hbcretn. Íj vs hfccxbnsdftv, xnj 'njq ghjlern ,eltn jxtym djcnht,jdfy hsyrjv, ghbxtv xtv lfkmit, ntv ,jkmit, d xfcnyjcnb, gjnjve xnj rjkbxtcndj gjbcrjds[ cbcntv ,eltn hfcnb. Ó;t gjxnb cltkfk cdjq ghjlern Microsoft (Bing.com), Yahoo! nj;t yt ,eltn cbltnm b cgfnm. ß levf., xnj «Ðfv,kth» gjgsnftncz djccnfyjdbnm cdjb gjpbwbb yf 'njv hsyrt. Ñjdthityyj jxtdblyj, xnj lkz hf,jns c nfrbv rjkbxtcndjv cbcntv ghtlghbybvfntk. gjnht,etncz fuhtufnjh. Ê njve ;t d rhbpbc rjyntrcnyfz htrkfvf ljk;yf ,skf, gj vjbv hfcxtnfv, njkmrj dsbuhfnm – f jyf yt dsbuhfkf. È pltcm yfi ghjtrn vj;tn crfpfnm cdjt dtcrjt ckjdj. Ê njve ;t vs yfvthtys ghjldbufnm tuj gj hfpysv yfghfdktybzv, drk.xfz rjyntrcnye. htrkfve, vtlbfhtrkfve, dbhecysq vfhrtnbyu b ntktdbltybt. – Ífcrjkmrj 'aatrnbdyj htrkfvbhjdfnm bynthytn-ghjtrns dyt Èynthytnf rfr chtls?
– Ïjrf j, 'njv ckj;yj crfpfnm, nfr rfr vfkj jgsnjd, gj rhfqytq vtht d Ðjccbb. – Ìj;yj dcgjvybnm htrkfve ,kju-cthdbcf Livejournal yf ujhjlcrb[ ekbwf[.
– ß yt levf., xnj d lfyyjv ckexft yfhe;yfz htrkfvf 'aatrnbdyf. À djn jgsn ghjtrnf Top4top gjrfpsdftn, xnj ntkthtrkfvf vj;tn jrfpfnmcz cegth'aatrnbdyjq. Ïjkmpf ,skf ljrfpfyf. Íj yf nfre. rfvgfyb. ye;ys ,jkmibt ltymub. – Òj tcnm felbnjhbb e;t ljcnfnjxyj gthtrkbrf.ncz?
– Ýnj pfdbcbn jn njuj, rnj [jxtn nfrbv j,hfpjv htrkfvbhjdfnmcz. Åckb «ßyltrc» ,eltn ghjldbufnmcz xthtp ntktdbpjh, 'nj yt edtkbxbn gjctoftvjcnm htcehcf bkb tuj epyfdftvjcnm. Ó yb[ b nfr dct [jhjij. Ítbpdtcnyj, rfr 'nj ekexibn b[ ghjlf;b – jregbncz kb nfrfz htrkfvf. Âjn, crf;tv, Google nfrfz htrkfvf ,skf ,s gjrfpfyf. Ýnj htprj edtkbxbn j[dfn. Åckb ns b nfr jxtym rhegysq – cvsckf d 'njv ytn. À djn tckb ns yjdsq bkb ytljjwtytyysq, nj 'nj vj;tn ,snm gjktpysv. Íj 'nj vjz kbxyfz njxrf phtybz. – Èuhjrb hsyrf ujdjhzn, xnj gjlj,yst «Ákjylbyrt» fuhtufnjhs yf Çfgflt tcnm – b jyb pfybvf.n ybxnj;ye. ljk. hsyrf. Ýnj dfc yt jcnfyfdkbdftn?
– Çfgflysq jgsn dspsdftn e yfc uke,jrjt gjybvfybt. Àuhtubhjdfnm nfv ytxtuj – d hfpdbns[ cnhfyf[ ljvbybhetn Google. Åcnm bcrk.xtybt – Êbnfq, yj rbnfqcrjuj jgsnf vs yt pyftv. – Òj, xnj e «Ákjylbyrb» ytn ghzvs[ rjynfrnjd c «ßyltrc.Äbhtrn», – 'nj gkj[j lkz ghjlernf?
– Ìs bcgjkmpetv nt[yjkjubb Èujhz Àivfyjdf b tuj rjvgfybb. È vs gjkmpetvcz tuj rjynhfrnjv c «ßyltrcjv». Ífv rf;tncz, xnj cjan «Àivfyjdf b gfhnythjd» ckj;ytt, lbdthcbabwbhjdfyytt, cgjcj,ty ghbybvfnm ,jktt ckj;yst htitybz, b yfv rf;tncz, xnj 'nj – jlyj bp ,fpjds[ ghtbveotcnd «Ákjylbyrb». – Êfrbt bpvtytybz yf hjccbqcrjv hsyrt j;blf.ncz r rjywe 2009 ujlf? Êfrbt-nj ckbzybz b gjukjotybz?
– Ïjrf vyt yt dblys ghtlgjcskrb rfrb[-nj ckbzybq b gjukjotybq. Âtlm d rhbpbcysq ujl gjdnjhtybt ljrhbpbcyjuj ujlf – 'nj elfxf. – Ìj;yj kb ;lfnm ghb[jlf rfrb[-nj buhjrjd yf 'njn hsyjr?
– Ìj;tn, rnj-nj b [jxtn hf,jnfnm d 'njq chtlt, yj jy yt vj;tn ghbqnb yf hsyjr c gecnsvb herfvb. Íe;yf rfrfz-nj cthmtpyfz «abirf», xnj,s ns ghbitk b rjuj-nj elbdbk. – Ïfrtnyst ghtlkj;tybz vjukb ,s cnfnm nfrjq «abirjq»?
– Îyb e;t b nfr tcnm. Ýnj b ntktdbltybt gk.c Èynthytn, b hflbj gk.c Èynthytn, b ghtccf gk.c Èynthytn. – Òt bpvtytybz yf hsyrt, j rjnjhs[ ds ujdjhbnt, crf;encz yf gjkmpjdfntkt Èynthytnf?
– Ìyt rf;tncz, xnj jy yt pfvtnbn 'nb[ bpvtytybq.
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